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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > natasha club Author Post beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/11/2009 6:35:05 PM   "Dating services - members of such services put their profiles without any local agency. You will pay only monthly/3month/6months/years amount as member. No any additional payments for translation of letters. I dont say about any gifts/flowers. Usually it is option. examples: friendfinder network, loveplanet, fiance, etc." Leon, probably 90% of girls on fiance do have a local agency and a great many don't speak english. Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/11/2009 6:54:15 PM   beemer, yes we still accept agencies to list their members. otherwise many good ladies who need local help will not have a chance to use fiance.com system. but if you are member of fiance.com you see who is with agency and who is not. so one can communicate as he wants. and you do not have to pay per letter. More and more FSU ladies get educated on how to be online. so agency should die. anyway, in our opinion agency should provide service for single ladies who want to find somebody abroad or locally and need help in this. so ladies should pay an agency to use their services to get help to meet somebody aboard, to get help with online sites, translations, phone calls... to get started. all this buy credits to open letters .... is everybody know what. it is stupid. but thousands of men drooling on nice pictures pay to open letters :)))) later on they come to forums and cry. anyway, one has many choices. Kirkland Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/11/2009 7:22:51 PM   An agency is a business whose function is to act as an intermediary between two parties. One party wants a product and the agency provides that product. If I want to buy a ticket for a show I go to an agency. I can’t go direct to the theatre since they have an arrangement with the agency who sells their tickets. Each makes a profit from the punter. Shoot me down in flames but how is the above scenario any different than that of a marriage or dating agency? You are buying a product. That product is not the lady herself but communication with the lady. You’re not meeting her; you’re only communicating with her. And for that you need to pay money. Due to the nature of this business it is open to corruption and in a state where corruption is the norm and indeed mostly rewarded you’ll find the corruption is widespread. Here’s another scenario: you do onto the forecourt of any car dealership with money to buy a car and 9 times out of 10 you go home with the car that dealer wants you to buy…the one he gets the better deal from…not you. That’s the way things work in the real world….The punter is never in control. The agencies are in control of your correspondence and they’ll keep it running as long as you keep on buying up credits. You can’t give out a lady your contact info…?? What a crock…I’ll just open that one more letter from the 25 year old who is.. amazingly… writing to me of all people (how lucky can a fat old farmer get?) in the hope that she’s left her email address….Nope…but she’s writing about swans on the river now and longing to hold my hand as we walk along the embankment. Maybe next time…only another hours wage to open the next one…you never know…I’ve been lucky so far…I mean she’s still writing to me despite the dirge I’m writing. pika Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/14/2009 5:01:38 AM   thanks leon btw, even when you read the usually-20-page-long terms of service, you still do not get the whole picture, you don't know what the price of the letters will actually be, that some girls sometimes split their reply in two messages etc That's the definition of a scam, it looks good but it's rotten, and you found out only after you have spent money ... with Natashaclub, it is very very well done. Taurus Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/31/2009 8:26:08 AM   Hey guys, I would like to comment on Natashaclub.com They get lots of money out of our own wallets. The mails of us are delivered with a delay of 4 hours, time needed for checking them before sending them through to the ladies. This isn't just something i made up, but are the words i received on my questions from the admin of the site... This site's banner should look like: "the guys with more money can get the better and more popular ladies" I am just a normal one who is looking for a REAL partner, not just an adventure. About retrieving a ladies personal information, i conacted the admin who said:" under the IMBRA law it is us forbidden to exchange ladies info to us citizens", i replied that i am an european citizen, which he said then:"of course that law does not concern you"...and that was the only lazy and bullshitting answer he gave... afterwards he wrote that ladies info could become available after 15 two ways letter correspondence....and at the same time is said that personal info then can never been exchanged through their mail system...or even better...if you would like to have her info immediately, for a price of 50$ they ask the lady if she wants to give it, and with the risc of 'NO' you loose your money.. If i look at previous matters, i conclude one thing...it is all so contradictary like hell, one big fraude.!! Can someone tell me how and where i can meet through internet real women from russia, ukraine, belarus...??? For sure natashaclub is not yet done as far i am concerned....i live and work for making honest money, and such freeking criminals are using the internet not for what it should be... ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/31/2009 9:54:53 AM   My gf is in Moscow from Kerch to visit her sister. It is hard for her to get to the internet from where she is. Her sister does not have internet. Natasha Club still has her profile and has her signing in now and then. Jackie Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/16/2009 7:12:57 PM   hmm...I think I will have a lot of negative answers but...How do you think how do these agencies work? I think all of you know that they get comission from each letter. And all interpreters who work with clients of these agencies also want to earn some money for their work. Women pay nothing for these agencies and interpreters do a lot of work for them. They help in search, they translate a lot of letters, they translate telephone talkings...And they do not get any fixed salary from agencies!!! They get only a percent from these opened letters. ok. now imagine if you do not pay for them. Who will help these women? How may you be sure that these women are real? (be smarter. you always can ask these sites for a copy of her documents(of course if she registered through the agency). You pay but you may be sure that you conenct with a real person, not a scammer, not a fake profile. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/16/2009 10:49:43 PM   Hi Jackie, is that really your picture. I am already in love with you.!!!!! When can we meet? I want to move to your town and prove to you my undying love for you. Very good post. And I believe not a person will slam you. I discovered after I spent an evening at a night club that the help was not compensated in any way for their services from the establishment. It was a privelage to work there. They worked purely for tips. Now I know why the service was exceptional. And even though I did not know this until two days later, I tipped very well. Kirkland's analogy to a car dealership -- or any other business -- rings true. Guys - most of you already know this - it is business. And the first rule of business is, "Let the buyer beware." I crack up all the time when goods are marked down to 40%-60% off here in US of A. They still make a profit! Here you have a host of opportunities for 'business' in a field that is ripe for the taking. Many desperados out there. And for whatever reason they lose touch with reality. This is 2009. This is not the dark ages. This is not twenty/thirty years ago. I as a new comer to this recognized a scam the minute it surfaced. I played along with a couple but realized it was not worth the time. If you get scammed you have no-one but yourself to blame. Sure there are those who are very good at it, and guys who will continue to hope for the best. Hope. But truth is, this is a business plain and simple. Some are legit and some are... Have sense. That's all. I am sure there are women who are very good at it. But when I discovered very quickly the motives I moved on. Didn't even tell them. Except one lay down south -- I told her I knew who she was. She vanished quickly. Let the buyer beware! Use commone sense. And what Jackie says is true. Nothing is free in this world. And if you expect to be able to find a young hottie half way around the world who is sincerely interested in a middle aged man... Granted there is the one in 10,000 chance. I equate this to a dating agency in America. What is the difference between talking to a woman from Texas when I live on the east coast compared to talking to a woman 4000 miles away? Besides a few thousand miles, nothing. Put it into perspective. And do not think these women are as desparate as may be advertised. They are not. figgis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2009 8:55:54 AM   I once had a brief chat with a woman at dream marriage, She told me that on her profile her date of birth was wrong and infact she was a year older and the actual birth day was wrong also. What good is it when the admin department of these agencies know that information posted in profiles is wrong yet they boast all information is confirmed. The girl must have said to her agency that they had posted wrong information about her and they chose to let it stand and do nothing about it. The other agency i had problems with was Army of brides, i knew a girl there very well and again i knew there was false information about her and i questioned the admin about it and they came back and said it was acurate. My point is the system is rotten the girls are good old fashioned liars they dont care about lieing to you and the agency in general are full of it and just backing up their girls by lieing to you also. The system at Natasha club is identical to Army of brides maybe the only difference being the girls can actualy write their response rather than dictate it to an interpreter. A vast majority of the girls at Natasha Club have identical profiles at Dream Marriage and army of brides. It does make you wonder if these agencies work in tandem for example if the girl joins Dream marriage why have identical profiles at rival sites. The long and the short of it is that the Ukraine date industry is totaly corrupt and that is nothing to do with sad desperate western men in my opinion. Jackie Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2009 1:39:08 PM   Julian35, thank you.))))))))) nope, this is the picture by Pablo Picasso) Figgis, when managers create a new profile they can make some mistakes. It is really easy to make a mistake in dates, height and so on...We are not machines we are humans and this can happen. of course it is great when men attract our attention on these facts so we can fix these errors. but mostly people think that if there are some mistakes then these women are scammers))) Figgis, and why do you think that it is strange that women have similar profiles on different sites? Professional agencies work with a lot of sites and of course they will not ask their clients to write different information for different sites. ok, that may be normal if you work with 2 or 3 sites..but not if with 30 of them! beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2009 5:29:49 PM   Jackie....Julian likes to fantasize. :-0 In regard to a women putting same or similar profiles on many sites, a good reason could be that she is exposing herself to as many men as posible. One lady told me this when I asked about her being on different sites..... it ended up okay because she was so popular on natasha, around $20 per letter, that I wrote to her on fiance who I was already paying for unlimited letters. I never considered her a scammer yet she was on a half dozen sites that I knew of. Jackie Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2009 5:53:55 PM   I like dreamers))) Yepp, that would be better to public womens' profiles on many sites. you even can not imagine how hard is it to find a man for a client. especially if she is not a 20 yo beauty. you put her profile on more and more sites, send her presentation letter to thousands men....it is really a big work. Sadly there are a lot of such stories(((. I think that she just works as an interpreter because if there is a good correspondence we prefer to lead it on cheaper sites than to loose it. (hmm...of course i can not tell about all agencies) Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2009 5:58:08 PM   she is not a scammer probably, she just likes attention:) and her agency likes to make money on her. so once again, read forum. do not pay per letter. Jackie Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2009 6:11:40 PM   most of the clients do not visit agencies too often. They communicate with their interpreters mostly via mobile phones. Agency workers ask them to come only if they find someone serious and this is normal. So they do not get all the attention from these men. But I do not tell that she was a scammer. Girls who work in agencies are not scammers. Everything is fair. They just get a percent from these letters. But at the same time they will never ask for money. And they are real, so they are also interested in search. Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2009 6:22:30 PM   jackie, you just confirmed that they are scammer. Agencies - to get paid for their work for translation, calls, message handling, is ok. but when you get girls who do not even read letters, and getting paid for them.. it is scam. Girls who look to find a life partner should pay you for internet access services, and consulting, translations.. or get it for free, as agency get some money from letters. But, if girls get paid for letters, then you should say clearly to men that pay per letter: you are paying for entertainment, not much more. if agency is to exist, it is to provide service to real girls who want to get married abroad, not to make money in the process. and agency is to make money on providing services to girls, not for creating millions of letters and getting paid for them. this is how agency shoudl work in our opinion. if it is different you should call yoruself entertainment agency, and girls are performers. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2009 9:19:28 PM   Jackie, you took the Picasso away! Somebody did? I hope this does not get me expelled for the 'he man wimmin haters club' but I recognised the Picasso. You had valid points in your post. But after a few, Olga busted you. You made sense and I believe you believe what you say. But if a lady gets a percentage of a pay for letter, then she is a working girl. And in America, the term 'working girl' means prostitute. And that does not necessarily mean a woman who has sex for money in this sense. But a working girl in this sense is no different. I met a lady in Kiev. We had a candid conversation. I asked her why I saw her photos (different photos) on another site. She told me many agencies were contacting her asking her if they could use her photos and post a profile. She told me she she turned them down but they offered her money just to use her pictures. The profile I saw was dated. She may be telling the truth. She could have denied it but told the truth as far as I can tell. But when someone just offers money to a woman to use her photos on a dating site. Figure it out. The "I want to move to your town and prove my undying love to you." was a reference to another thread.... Guy with a dream... actually a stalker... Olga is correct here. To be paid a percentage of a letter service means you are just an employee of the agency and nothing more. Jackie Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/18/2009 5:14:37 AM   hello again! no-no..i just wanted to put a real photo of me and removed a picture... but after had some problems with uploading a new one((( I want you to see the difference. if an interpreter is not interested in search she will not put her profile on these sites. and she will not communicate with people who do not fit her characteristics. she just does not have any mediators in their correspondences with men. they work there but this does not mean that they can not use this service, do not you think so? Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/18/2009 11:05:21 AM   this is not the place to post a photo of yourself looking for a man-- it is what I gathered from your last posts... this is a forum for others to discuss various topics of interest and to seek advice... do not put up a photo if your only desire to do so is to attract a man from here... please respect the forum for what it is Jackie Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/18/2009 5:26:04 PM   Hey, I understand for what this place is and I will never mess it with dating site. but if it looked so , sorry. it was not because I do not respect the forum. Jackie Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/18/2009 6:22:54 PM   woooops...a mistake...sorry one more time....do respect) Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > natasha club
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