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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Well - I just joined Fiance.com Author Post apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/27/2007 10:12:49 PM   Honestly - I think it was my vanity that led me to re-establish communications with the girl. I had dated very hot girls in my recent past, just thought somehow there was a huge misunderstanding was led up to it and this girl was pure and true and a horrible injustice was wrecked upon us both. The only true misunderstanding was me not getting it through my thick skull that she was actually very corrupt and had pulled a big one over on me. Bashing and Bursting my own bubble: I was just too egotistical to think that some 18 yr old could turn me into a chump like that. I chose to believe she had an uncorrupted heart instead. I began to lie to myself when all the warning signs were going off, until I wounded her deeply and told her there was no way I could be with someone I could not trust with my life... I just want to warn the next guy out there that this girl is major league hard-core XXX $$$ territory. I thought she was a G-Rated sweet girl - if you had met her that first day and looked into her eyes with the cutest glowing expression, you would have too. I kid you not my friend. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/27/2007 10:46:30 PM   Apal, True, I might have thought she was g-rated sweet girl that first day but my sense and ego would never let me get to the point you got. I credit you for realizing your own shortcomings, we all live and (hope)to learn. I think her beauty really corrupted your mind. I don't know how corrupted some girls I have met but when I saw anything suspicious, it ended right there. Thanks for the warnings. I wonder how deeply wounded she is, you know some girls can get guys with a snap of finger, and psycho's don't understand such things. There is always a guy around to think he is the one!!!! apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/27/2007 11:38:52 PM   Well, that the thing, with a girl like this, the truth is a complete intangible. It's the trademark of a pathological liar. One can second-guess where I screwed up. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/27/2007 11:43:15 PM   Regarding Sociopath girl: It was my fault for #1) Trusting a girl's sincerity before the first-face-to-face meeting. Yet most of the guys who were successful say that's how they became successful, by writing and trusting the words being written them if I am correct. So now you see what the cause / effect are when letters are complete fabrications. It happens, I am not alone in trusting some scammer who uses a much more primitive and less cost-effective of supplementing their income. I am very sure this girl's intention is to gain a wealth through a financial divorce settlement. I am pretty sure this girl is not above playing the if-you-love-me trump card of no prenup aggrement and gets the unlucky bastard who marries her for all he's worth. After documented evidence provide by Armyofbrides in August of last year, she accused me of the demanding sex from her / attempted rape. It would not be beyond her to create some scheme of this magnitude. Can you imagine the devastation a girl like this could wreak on the unsuspecting man? It's why I will keep the blog up for my own conscience - just so this next guy doesn't put a load in the chamber and blow actually his brains out... apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/27/2007 11:45:27 PM   Like I said, this girl is major league hard-core XXX $$$ territory. Be warned, but I don't know what website to even list a girl of this magnitude... beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2007 12:19:54 AM   Apal, Yes they were trusting words but they are only words. Maybe the words and content of their letters were different than yours, who knows what was in letters, she could have been talking about living on Martha's Vinyard and you with your head in clouds and feet several inches off the ground...I don't know!!! I said before actions speak louder than words. I am sure this girl has a way with words but you fell for those words. I am currently writing to a girl that has told me that she got too close to someone through letters and when they met wasn't the same. She said she will never do that again. When I wrote to her, I explained, you have to separate the person from the words, it is the words she got close to not the person. There becomes an expectation that probably never gets filled. Because of that ,when they did meet, it just wasn't the same. Your mind pictures something or someone you want that person to be. A little psychology for the mind. But, this is all behind us...move forward..hope for the best an expect the worst. That's it....you expected the best......and ended up getting for the worst apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2007 12:29:54 AM   Agreed strongly... On that point, that girl I was writing to on AW but was going wtf? "You joined an agency but didn't take it that seriously?" Anyways, after much thought, I actually loved that honesty and frankness. Eventually found she's got this one-of-a-kind, down-to-earth realistic style of writing that is quite the exact opposite of what I went through. She also knows about this psycho girl, because I was writing her when all of it occurred and I found her blog on the 1-yr anniversary of our August meeting. So she got a full blow-by-blow accounting of everything. Her thoughts: She thinks the girl is simply horifying and without morals to lie in such a way. Then behave with other men as she did and declare it to the world. She says she wasn't brought up to be that way, and from a girl with such honesty as to admit she didn't take the agency thing seriously? She's got more integrity and honesty in one tiny finger than that other girl has in her entire soul. Guess what else? The girl looks exactly like sociopath girl - just completely cuter - can you beat that? What are the odds... beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2007 12:55:35 AM   What are the odds... ??????? Could be 'HER' sister!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :))))) Any girl who doesn't take marriage and relationships seriously, is not looking. Talk about a girl that could be lots of trouble............unless you are out to look for funnnnnnnnnnnn. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2007 10:12:21 AM   lol! She is her "good" twin sister. Beemer - Well I have to agree strongly with what you said, because it's exactly what I thought too. Any girl admitting she didn't take this seriously or mentions how her family doesn't know about her in an agency? I boot them to the curb very quick-like and fast. ;0 apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2007 10:34:13 AM   Yet - And I mean, a big wtf "Yet..." What happens when you realize she is being a little more than just very honest about the entire situation? What happens when you finally realize just how subtle girls are nowadays when they write you about the same issue and aren't telling you the complete truth? We all know most girls get advice from agency staff on not getting their hopes up, and how they shouldn't take things too seriously until the man shows up (so agency can get their apartment rental income, translator services, taxis, etc.) Now really... Think about it... how many girls have you written to that are so completely honest about taking any of us seriously -- until they have met you? Oh the flipside, this girl's honesty was unique. She was just relaying her honest thoughts about the same thing most others would easily lie about... "Evil Sociopath Girl" just kept telling me how serious she was, how much her family and friends encouraged her to find an honest and good man. How she dreamed of true love, because her gentle heart could not ever imagine having casual sex with someone she never loved... it would have destroyed her, so she was careful to make sure man was tender and sincere. Or the many letters she wrote about how she never fought with anyone or could not even imagine being angry, because she was too sweet and gentle... Yeah - now you can see how polar opposites they are... "SocioPath Pathological liar girl" == Everything is good, I really like you. You have no worries with me - I only write to you. I never get angry, I am gentle, caring and very understanding. My family are very happy for me that I joined this service. I seek true love and cannot have physical relations with a man until I am married and I will make this man the happiest on this earth." "Honest girl with not so serious intentions" == Well I don't know you, most men I have ever written disappoint me very quickly. Many men do write me. When I came here to this service, I did not take this seriously. I did not want to be seriosly disappointed. I get angry when I get disappointed sometimes. My mother doesn't know about me in this agency. Yet, I am sure my mother will accept everything if somehow I meet a man I feel I can't live without, but I can't be sure until I meet him, he could be local or from a different country." Extreme opposites and when you look at it with this level of granularity. Which would you have wanted to meet? The completely honest one? Or the one who says she is serious but a complete pathological liar? apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2007 11:01:42 AM   For those who are curious about psycho-sociopath scammer girl, her Hotrussianbrides.com Russianlovematch.com her ID is RA001. Her name is Yulia. Tell her I said Hi. I-Pay Global, Inc - owners of Hotrussianbrides.com and Russianlovematch site won't remove scammers unless you can prove girl requested in writing through their service that she requested you to buy something for her or requested you send money to her... But you know all their girls have 'serious intentions' too -- to get what they can out of the next unsuspecting guy -- all legal. This girl wasn't your typical scammer, she wanted serious $$$ bank. Not small chump change. She is more of a cold, calculating divorcee-wannabee who has no qualms about finding a rich man, marrying rich man and falsely accusing him of serious crimes - just as she did me. I was grateful that Armyofbrides kicked her when they realized how much she had lied about hserself - the moment she falsely accused me of rape, they took her down fast. Hotrussianbrides.com - and Patrick HRB's network admin just laughed and said he wasn't going to remove her, even though it was on their system when she admitted she had lied about every single letter sent to me via Armyofbrides. Yet, she has the face of an angel and can be innocent in sweet in letters and in person - when she turns on her fake charm. Watch out for her - it's all I can say. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2007 6:28:53 PM   Apal, I think you are reading too much between the lines. Letter writing is just a process to get to know a little about girl. Exhanges of information, seeing how reactions are to what is going on. Getting a feel for how compatable you are to girl. Nobody knows for sure how honest and straightforward anybody is. As long as you are happy with direction writings are going why question anything. You can go crazy trying to anaylze every little situation. Take most everything they say as honest until something changes that feeling. Your gut feeling or unsureness is usually right on. In my group of girls, I have some that I trust more than others and some I have no idea what is going on, and this list can change quickly, either by dropping girls or adding new ones...like a said it is a process. I did have a couple a while back that I thought were 'the ones' but just didn't work out, what do you....stay and keep looking or just fold up tent and move on to something else. I feeel my dream is in FSU countries, at least for now, so I will continue my search. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2007 8:19:55 PM   Disagree on reading between the lines - mainly because it's exactly what "good girl" said in direct response to me asking her specifically why she said these things. I appreciate the honesty, but yes it is an obstacle, because her mother might not approve. Agree on no one knowing nothing... ... even after you meet as well. Agree Strongly that 'the ones' are just an illusion and pleasant dreams until you meet them. My first dream was a true living nightmare. But she was enough of a Sociopath to maintain the illusion for 2 days running (in person). I will write more than one girl, and will settle on two to go see (different cities preferred). That way a total change of environment can accellerate the 'bad taste' you get when you come across an individual who misrepresents themselves in both their photos and letters. I will also try for 10-14 days and not the simple 1-week excursion. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2007 8:57:09 PM   Apal, We agree on a few things, I have been doing the see 2 girls on 2 week trip with one week for each girl. I do have a couple in each city just in case. I try not to make a big deal saying I might be in city, if you want maybe we can get together. And never give any details...last thing is to lie to any girl. I do read the lines....they do tell a lot, reading between the lines is guessing at what is going on or not. Meeting them IS believing!!!! Good to hear you are writing more than one girl.......not to have all eggs in one basket. Good luck on your new angle!!!! I just bought my ticket...so I have to make my plan. I usually just get my ticket to Kiev and plan...up to one week before where I will be going from there, it is kind of like the middle of everything. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2007 9:55:28 PM   Beemer - Strongly agreed - its the best approach. I don't like planning so far ahead either. It seems too boring. ;) Seeing is believing - there is nothing like looking into that other person's eyes. Just hope no one runs into the psycho angel from hell I had to meet that pulled it off. Can you imagine if I had been a millionaire and she hadn't shown me her true poisonous fangs until a few years later? Geezus that will give anyone nightmares... apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2007 10:10:07 PM   Agreed on not ever trying to read between the lines. Bad strategy with any girl you are writing to anywhere... ... in this day and age? Be direct - I say. The words in that post above in quotes " " were actual words they wrote me. I do sometimes use "quotes" to emphasize other things though as well. "Good girl" wrote those exact words... she isn't subtle, she is very direct, which I appreciate as well. Just as "Sociopath girl" wrote those actual words "lies" to me as well... RA001 Yuliya Juliya Yulia Julia Kiev Odessa May 28, 1987 Hotrussianbrides.com Russianlovematch.com MissUA Marriage Agency apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2007 10:31:11 PM   Anyways, I still have no clue what to categorize the girl -- Sociopathic, gold-digger and leave it at that I suppose. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2007 10:32:10 PM   What I will say is that I was surprised to find someone who sat down and gave me a 500+ word letter today on here. :) beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2007 11:02:06 PM   You are funny Apal, you and you numbers.........in over a year I had not ever heard anyone comment on length of letters in terms of # of words, they are mostly about content or maybe a very short answer. Like when I talk about girls..I'll take quality over quantity. I would rather have a concise 50 word letter that short and sweet. I guess in very beginning girls have standard letters( with an injection of personal)that tell all about themselves. Words are words until they are followed by actions. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/30/2007 7:44:26 AM   I agree that girls get right to the point here. But come on, I get these cute little two sentence letters all the time. On AW - A girl spends a lot of time writing me with 800-2000 word letters. Here its like they logon, see what you wrote, fire back something to you and the 5-6 other guys and log off... Honestly, I can see why men who like to write, go to the pay-per-letter sites. Although there is one really nice girl on Fiance.com who sends me nice emails each and every day which AW could never do. Her letters are around the 300-600 word range. ;p Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Well - I just joined Fiance.com
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