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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > For The Last Time Author Post Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/7/2007 12:50:33 AM   David 4 trips is great experience,I know few men in my country have travelled to Russia. I wonder if you could have had better vacations anywhere else? I am curious if you know after 4 trips, why you have come up empty handed? beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/7/2007 1:06:18 AM   I would guess some guys after 8 trips would come up empty. Or even 10 trips, this is not for everybody. Put it this way, to look in FSU countries for a girl means you have struck out home. Or to put it nicely, have not found your partner at home. Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/7/2007 3:04:23 AM   I was thinking that after 4 trips David would have a good idea what works for him and what doesnt. No point doing the same thing and having the same result, if its not working. It is interesting to me if he knows what he was doing wrong. I am certain there are plenty of good women in the FSU. It is probably more difficult finding them now than 10 years ago, but I wonder if David has looked to get an edge by learning Russian or looking through different channels? kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/7/2007 3:43:54 AM   empty handed that's easy Adman who whats the typical stupid woman, got plenty here got plenty there. russia ukraine or what ever is great fun for just getting away from PC crap. finding the right women is not so easy. me I'm a fussy bastard. there's plenty of women there of cause but if i or we bring someone back she has to be extra special. i could understand 4 trips and no go, i have only been once, it was to get a feel to see if they are compatible to our humble life. also just to be somewhere different. its been 40 years here and i can only count on my fingers the ladys i would want around me, so 4 trips, yeah he could be a fussy bugger to. personally if i was to get a 35-40 year old women hell there are plenty here but under thirty now I'm interested. as nasfan said we both got to click or whats the point. its not hard to find a women its finding the right one, we have to think alike, same morals, ethics so on. there here its all the same. David check out the free sites, they are really much better. i don't know about you but i wouldn't go over there without the thought of spending at least 5 to 8 weeks, a week wouldnt cut it for me. 4 trips, how many days dose that add up to if you dont mind telling? nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/7/2007 6:33:52 AM   Aussieman, reach down in your trousers and have a Gender Check you loser. You come in this forum and condemn many women in the FSU about scams etc. You haven't even stepped your ass on the ground in the FSU but you will write content regarding it. Where I get off, is when guys like you and DavidUSA come in can cry scammer, scammer, or say this is a hobby. You can tell now that David just wanted to watch his credit card balance. If he was worried about that so much, he wasn't even ready for the financial responsibility of a wife from the FSU.Some of you guys are so Naive and have little clue, especially ones from the US, what it will entail. Getting a girl here is the easy part. Sounds like David spent a lot of money through western union. Thats peculiar in itself.Why would he do that? Why would you even think of people working in western union, then think out loud, wow I'm in the wrong business, maybe I should get in this marriage agency business. What is sounds like is someone has gotten ripped off a bit. Just because you go to the FSU 4 times does not make it a serious venture. Many guys have been there a hell of a lot more than that and it doesn't make it a serious venture. Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/7/2007 9:19:04 PM   Kiwi from what I have read of Davids posts, he has travelled 4 times to the FSU and each time only met scammers, shoppers or women that dont want to leave their country. I guess this could happen to anyone once, twice would be very unlucky. 4 times and I think its very poor judge of character. He has written volumes of letters but does not know the women he meets. If a women does not want to immigrate it simply means she doesnt like you. From my one trip to the FSU (I do not think taking a woman to Thailand counts) I am totally amazed at the fabulous women that are seriously looking for a half decent guy. It seems to me that David must have done everything wrong or is a very poor catch. If a guy cant easily find a great women in the FSU, then the whore houses of Thailand remain, or do everyone favour and throw yourself off the bridge. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2007 1:09:08 AM   I think it's a serious venture for anyone going to the FSU to find a wife. Geezus... I agree about Aussie - but he is just venting his recent wounds. Jetmba - You just show what a complete arse you are. You belittle Aussie, you cut down DavidUSA. And all you have are these ignorant, self-righteous posts that say your THE PRINCE all these FSU girls want to meet. Atleast you knocked it off with all those sick sex jokes about little boys you use to through around. Maybe someone of your age... 50+? Can act like a grownup instead of reliving those 15 yr old Freshman days? huh? I bet you were the jerk of the geeks back then too... Probably king geek? beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2007 1:51:26 AM   Apal..... How long have you been here?? A month or two. Would you let me tell you how to drive a car if I had never driven a car?? Makes no sense. I have been on this forum for over a year and have read many posts over that time. Certain guys have posted their thoughts and experiences, which is fine but when every post says the same thing over and over, same girl did this or every FSU girl is that, you begin to wonder what is up. I have no idea why things did not work out for some guys, maybe unreasonable expectations, maybe looking for the prettiest girl, maybe he has nothing to offer, maybe he is butt ugly, maybe he is too 'old' looking with a beer belly, I don't know. There are many reasons for guys not to succeed but before pronouncing girls are scammers or using guys, look in the mirror, most of the problems are right there, in front of them. Take some responsibility. There are dangers in every aspect of life. Look at this undertaking like a business, if you don't have the time and resources to do 100% you may be spinning your wheels. There is nothing wrong with not having success at this foreign bride thing but why tell other people to not try it because you yourself have not had the success you hoped for. I wish everybody good luck in whatever avenue they choose to follow and remember there is someone for each of us somewhere on this earth, it is difficult sometimes to find that person. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2007 2:28:23 AM   yes Davids approach is questionable but i really don't know his deal to comment to much. been naive will lead to the biggest failures. this land is not a shopping ground for the naive. unless you are after the type of lady I'm running away from here and even still. naivety doesn't work anywhere, well maybe only on a hospital bed. yes i agree i was blown away by the general women there, very impressive. i even enjoyed the so called users and had a fantastic time with all. been naive, well that's another storey, i could say i was to some point. i walked into that world knowing nothing of agency corruption. i did find someone i liked, its still questionable to me if she was using me or not. the agency was from day one as i was them. it is a land of give or take with so much potential i feel. but yes i wouldn't do things the same next time around there, that would be stupid with no real point to it. for really i jumped into this not knowing anything but only a need to look at this place first and to meet at least a lady in each city to get some understanding and feel of what they are about. i found this site a few mouths back and it has been a help also. there are some wise characters on here, hopfuly it will get past this silly stuff. i don't know if i will succeed on my next trip and it really doesn't matter if its not to be, but it will give me another experience of a life time only to add on to my last one. but hell of cause i will succeed eventually. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2007 3:29:17 AM   No one can be there prince or knight in shining armour..they don't need or want to be rescued from the FSU, these girls are happy where they are, they have far better social networking and relationships with there family, relatives and friends than most people in the so called West! You will have to be a cut, way above average for a guy, to make them want to leave. You will know within 5 minutes of meeting a FSU girl, if you make the grade..if they don't like the look of you or the clothes you wear, you have had it! Its the same with all girls, no matter where there from but FSU more fussy about guys appearance, clothing and material wealth. They don't want a guy with a beer belly or is fat and unfit! I am over weight, not fat but I am a bit chubby and could shed about 3 stone for my own good! I agree, take a look at yourself and situation, such things as where you live, your lifestyle and income...ask yourself would they like to live the life you lead and live in a suburbia village? I think an FSU women would be bored in my suburb, its too quiet for them and no shops close by, you gotta drive or catch a bus to the shopping mall or city centre, you can't walk, its too far! Your friends can not replace her friends or your family replace her family..she will be and feel like an alien here or any western country. When you marry an FSU women, you are also marrying her family and will be expected ( she will expect it ) to send money back home all the time to her family back in the FSU which in the long term will become a financial burden on you which will lead to arguments over money..you will have massive phone bills everyday, when she calls home everyday and talks for hours. If you don't let her do these things out of the need to save money and control expenses in the everyday living budget, she will not understand at all and will think you are a tight fisted, greedy tight ass which will lead to discontent on her part with you and arguments! Welcome to the reality of this business..take all that into consideration before embarking on the quest towards FSU disaster..do you really want to live like that? Look at the bigger picture, beyond the girl and her body, theres a lot of parts to it! zeeco Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2007 3:35:43 AM   Well said beemer, one of the most intelligent posts on here for ages, some men blame there lack of success on the woman, when it is clearly not just down to the woman. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2007 3:52:51 AM   Oh yes, the women from Thailand have been attacked here too, made to look second rate compared to FSU women, they all work in whore houses apparently and men who fail in the FSU with girls should go to Thailand and get a whore..what a load of crap! Thai and Asian girls because of there cultural upbringing and beliefs make loving and devoted wives who will serve the man that cares them. Theres none of this "cash register mentality" and bankrupted scammer/gold digging morals you see in women from the FSU..Thai scammers are rare like hens teeth, FSU scammers are prolific like hungry ants, there everywhere! Theres really no such thing as a bad catch as far as a guy visiting the FSU to see a girl there and get rejected..9 out of 10 times, she was never serious about the guy or leaving her country and only wanted money or luxury gifts out of him to buck up her lifestyle! You make DAVID usa sound like a looser..his not a looser, the women he meet are the loosers! I rate the chances of any man visiting the FSU to meet a girl which eventuates in a fiance visa and marriage at no more than 10% best case scenario! You would not wager $8000 on a horse ( cost for an Aussie to do a trip on average ) if it only had a 10% chance of winning at best, would ya! Its a shocking gamble, where the odds of success are stacked up, way against you! I am probaby being overly generous about a 10% chance of success, its more like 3%! nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2007 7:28:04 AM   eemer right on the money!! If these guys would hear some of the stories from the other side of the fence, I don't think they would write too much about it. My wife just laughs at me and says why do I post here anymore because the majority of the guys won't listen and all they want to do is condemn the girls right out of the gate. All are scammers etc. She told me at one time, and this is based on her agency only, that 65-75% of the girls are legitmate and looking for a husband, with the majority wanting to stay in western europe if possible. Though they would concede living farther abroad with the right man. The other 25-35% are just looking for a good time, or just looking to get out of Ukraine. Of that 25% she said 80% of the 25 and younger were just players looking to suppliment their incomes, or gifts or free dates etc, just pure pro daters. Here are some of the stories my wife passed on to me. Hi dear, I'm an attorney, but occasionally I like to dress up like a woman and play role reversal. I'm currently living with my parents (47year old guy) but if I find the right girl we'll get an apartment. I'm a consultant, but I haven't currently worked on any projects in a few months. I'm a swinger looking for the woman in Ukraine that's the same. I'm kind of interested in you, but I have 6 other ladies I would like to meet before, what is your schedule like for august blah, blah. My wife left me for another woman, so to get back at her I've been dating this guy for the last 8 months, we've only had sex a couple of times and it's kind of boring, I want a woman again. 50 year old man writing saying his parents take care of all his bills and financial problems for him. I have a big house, tons of money I will buy you anything you want. It goes on and on, some funny, some pathetic and some just down right sick. Yeah at times I can be a little acerbic with some people here, but the reality is there are many screwballs looking for girls who are far beyond more screwed up than scammers. Hell the good ladies have to sift through the bullshit just like we have too. At some of the agencys they trade information about guys, they don't want to waste their time either, at least the serious ones don't. Why carry on correspondence with a moron and a complete waste of time. I agree with beemers point of being redundant on the scammer posting and the constant hammering of the women. Hell we all know that scammers exist, at least the guys with common sense do. The one's with common sense have studied and learned what their specific traits are. Whatever route you choose to meet a woman is specific to that person. In no way means because a guy has made multiple trips that he's serious or not some complete moron. Some guys are lucky and meet the right one right out of the gate, others take a few trips, but the common denominator is the real guys are looking to get married and create a new life. Not on a dating campaign. That doesn't mean you won't have to meet a few girls along the way, but inside you know your intentions have merit. To come in this forum and chastise a whole race of women and never even stepped foot into their country is ridiculous on its face. You can't even imagine how they exist, you can read all the crap on the internet, watch all the idiotic documentaries, but until you have spent a little time in their culture and have seen their day to day existence, posting that they are all ripoffs and theives and scammers is ludicrous and hypocritical. To say they are all materialistic money grabbers is idiotic also. Take a look around at the women in your cultures. It isn't much different where you livecompared to the women in the FSU. The only thing aussieman ever posted that was truly accurate you can live with someone, as I did for 18 years and not really know them, or what motivates them to do what they did in a given poing in time. I lived the large life, had the big house, motorhome, motorcycles a strong business but that pretty much got destroyed in my divorce. Now I live a more modest life, I've basically started from scratch and my wife knew that from the get go. I don't need a pre-nup with her because she's putting as much into our relationship as I am. If it all goes down the tubes, why isn't she entitled to what she earned? She took more risks to marry me, than I did to marry her. She brought more to the table with her integrity and honesty than I provided her in the beginning. I only made two promises to her. One I would sleep in her bed only and I would work my ass off to give us a good life. Beyond that no promises, no blue sky no bullshit. It's not really that difficult if you are serious, don't have outlandish expectations and real as a person. I have met some outstanding people in Ukraine through my wife, people who are exactly like her. Some are married to Ukrainian men, who don't let life get them down, don't spend nights in the underground being a drunken fool, work two jobs some three to provide for their families. I'm honored to call them my friends now. I've met some outstanding guys here on this forum who are married to fabulous ladies from the FSU. We come from various walks of life. Over labor day I spent a few days with Dittus and his wife Valentina. She's a jewel of a lady, from Donetsk. Dittus and I were talking, he had never really asked me why I went to Ukraine to look for a lady. He asked me and I told him. I was tired of the materialistic women here in the states, whose moral compass was broke, cared very little for the family in the traditional sense. Sound Familiar? Sounds like I've just described what the most of the guys here complain about in the ladies from the FSU. I could have found an outstanding woman across the street, it just happens she was a little bit across the street i nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2007 7:29:36 AM   it just happens she was a little bit across the street in a town called Mariupol. I'm honored and proud to have her as my wife. Her beauty is incredible both inside and out. Her intellect is incredible, her fortitude is indomitable. For the curious aussieman who knows all, my wife and I have only exchanged harsh words once. when in my rudeness and being irritated from working on her car I told her to shut up and it pissed her off and she let me have it with both barrels, good for her, I love her backbone, but her gentleness is absolutely incredible. She lives an upbeat life, didn't really complain about her life in Ukraine how life treated her unfairly or moans and complains that we don't have the material things like the Joneses. To say I'm a lucky guy is truly an understatement. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2007 9:48:35 AM   "When you marry an FSU women, you are also marrying her family and will be expected ( she will expect it ) to send money back home all the time to her family back in the FSU which in the long term will become a financial burden on you which will lead to arguments over money..you will have massive phone bills everyday, when she calls home everyday and talks for hours. If you don't let her do these things out of the need to save money and control expenses in the everyday living budget, she will not understand at all and will think you are a tight fisted, greedy tight ass which will lead to discontent on her part with you and arguments! Welcome to the reality of this business..take all that into consideration before embarking on the quest towards FSU disaster..do you really want to live like that? Look at the bigger picture, beyond the girl and her body, theres a lot of parts to it! " To quote Aussieman 1. My wife requires no money sent back to her family. So no arguements over money. 2. No massive phone bills. Her phone costs to Ukraine and Switzerland are about $100.00 a month, our local cell phone costs run about $90.00. So worrying about 100 bucks is being a little cheap for her enjoyment.Be smart with your long distance service. 3. Since she had little money due to the economical truth in Ukraine, she herself is very tightfisted. Now where is your reality here aussieman. Is this from personal experience? You experience is based on your disaster with a girl from Fiji. Post on that experience. Has nothing to do with a lady from the FSU. Remember you are the one that sent 75 bucks worth of darts to a lady and now she's a miserable scammer. What happened to the rule. Never send money to someone you never met! You violated that rule and you should punish yourself for that. Hey if you want next time just send me the 75 bucks. Money and gifts are the same thing. Why would anyone send a gift to someone they have never met. I'm sure that guy is enjoying tossing the darts in the pub while slamming down some Vodka and laughing his ass off. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/13/2007 4:51:46 AM   For the record - I don't bash FSU women, I bash men going to FSU thinking that it's going to be an easy undertaking to find a wife. I agree with many on this forum that there are very many girls who are not serious about using these agencies to find a husband. Some do use it to supplement their income and go out to dinner at a place they wanted to go, especially if a guy they wrote to interested them, some are not real, some are scammers and there are some that are looking, but currently date local Ukraine men while they are in the agency to find Mr. Biggerbetterdeal... In some correspondences with FSU women, there are many that continue to write to this day and affirm my assumption that many men are flakes who visit them. Lots of sex tourists, or undesirable men who are unattractive or social misfit types - yet there are some that aren't and get the cold-shoulder because there was no chemistry (not attractive #1 issue) (not rich enough #2) or (not well-behaved #3). Someone posted that looks are not important to an FSU woman - I could not disagree with you more strongly - I have never ever read or had any girl I met in person in Ukraine say that it is okay for them to marry an unattractive man. Although many state how they MUST be mentally attracted AS WELL AS physically attracted to the man BEFORE they would even THINK about leaving their life in the FSU. If you don't believe me? I don't care, because regardless of your own opinion, just go read all the profiles next time you read a profile instead of looking at the pictures only. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/13/2007 9:35:06 AM   apal: You are, without a doubt, the stupidest and most pretentious poster this forum has ever seen. You made one whole trip to the FSU - and were a dismal failure, and now you purport to come and give advice to the rest of us on what works and what doesn't. apal - all you REALLY know is something that DOESN'T WORK (specifically everything you've done so far). You talked to translators and a few girls with profiles and now you know it all. apal - I hate to tell you this but I am NOT a great looking guy. And yet I have been enormously successful with women who were half my age. Flies right in the face of all of your foolish "knowledge", doesn't it? apal - you don't know the first THING about ANY of this - except how to fail. To people who have actually succeeded - your advice is laughable - but you don't seem to get it. The sad thing is that new readers read your ridiculous advice and might think that you actually know what you are talking about. That is why I have taken it upon myself to point out as often as possible that you are an idiot. Just to clear up the confusion for any people reading this forum for the first time. Ulmo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/13/2007 10:43:28 AM   apal, I'll also disagree that FSU women require their men to be good looking. I'm not a great looking man, and I'm also a little overweight. But my lady (younger than I by more than a couple years) certainly didn't seem to mind, and she's a knock-out. The British fellow I met had 2 beauties hanging on his arms, and he wasn't anything special either. If all you are meeting are shallow women, then *you* are doing something wrong. Einstein said the definition of insanity is "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Also, profiles mean very little from my experience. Most profiles are very similar, very cookie-cutter templates, and I doubt many of them are actually written by the ladies themselves. The only way to really get to know a lady is to start writing to her and go from there. GeminiDreams Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/13/2007 11:50:53 AM   I met my girlfriend on my second trip. I met about 7 women in about 3 weeks. She was the one I had the least expectations of and we have been dating for 3 years. As I travel to Kiev for my R&R and it is basically my second home (spend 4 months a year there) we are not under the marriage and visa presure that others may feel. Im about to go for my 14 visit in 2 weeks. zeeco Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/13/2007 12:45:22 PM   I've seen loads of beautiful Russian girls, with very average looking guys, and it's not a money thing, there are 10,000,000 more women in the country than men, So if you persevere, and make an effort, and a make the girl feel special, you should strike gold. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > For The Last Time
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