"The question is, should is meet a guy in a foreign country she hasnt met?"
No, she should absolutely not meet a guy in a foreign country she hasn't met. This is danger of the worst kind.
"By counter offering Egypt, I dont think she can now get around it. There is now no reason not to meet him in Thailand."
She should withdraw all offers except her own country off the table. If she loses the guy, then oh well. He should be understanding enough to walk a mile in her shoes and understand what a bad position it puts her in. The man should be willing to go to her country, to see where she lives, meet her friends and family, and allow her to play hostess.
A suggestion for Australian guys. You can fly your FSU women for a personal meeting to Fiji as Fiji does not require a visa for an FSU women and they can easily go there.
Its right on our door step..only 3.5 hour flight from Sydney.
You can put her up in a tourist hotel or resort in Fiji of which there are plenty to choose from to suit all budgets and she can have a holiday in South Pacific tropical paradise and meet you.
Who wants to go to Ukraine or Russia for a meeting in middle of there long frigid, freezing cold winter when its summer in Oz and thats the only time you can get annual leave/holidays from work.
Bring her to the warmth..its safer and cheaper, no Russian or Ukrainian rip offs or cons!
There is no rule for immigration here or fiance visa's that you have had to have meet her in her own country of origin, as long as its any country outside of Australia where you had your personal meeting!
Some food for thought!
Plane has just crashed in Phuket
Jet your friends friend now has the perfect excuse not to travel to Thailand. Fear of plane crash and the weather is crap at the moment. No man can hope to rationalize away a womens fears.
Unfortunately there is danger for a fsu girl travelling alone to Thailand. In the past year, 2 Russian ladies were murdered and bodies dumped in scrub at the back of a beach in a popular resort area of Thailand, the killer was caught latter!
That puts a whole different perspective on it when a man is crying because he sent a $75 gift and is afraid he is being scammed and a lady is contemplating a move that could ruin the rest of her life. I would sure want a good background check done on the man she is meeting and maybe radio contact with a fleet of F-16s in case something went sour.
And aussieman I would hope you would not report this lady from K-R as a scammer because she did not scam you. Just because you read 4 reports on her does not constitute a crime against you. Do you do an accounting on each lady you write to so that you know how much she is indebted to you when you finally meet. Interesting concept. Perhaps you should let the ladies know this they may have some back charges that you forgot to consider. If I send a gift to a lady I receive the value of that gift in personal satisfaction and usually I get such a warm thank you that I receive even more value than I gave. I cannot imagine pretending to give a gift and writing its value down as a debt owed.
I don't file scam reports and this K-R girl won't be reported as a scammer, I broke it off with her and wished her luck..case closed...I don't care about a $75 gift, it was useful to her for one of her hobby, small change for me, the girl was not rich ( in my opinion??) but a battler like most of them there, yes they survive on there small wages but they don't have many of the luxuries and modern cons we take for granted.
Yes, I count the value of gifts given and work how many roots I should get for it..thats a joke!
This is aussieman, reporting to you from a KFC somewhere in Australia, never having had the balls to travel to FSU, but hey, who cares about such a minor triviality as that :)
This is Aussieman reporting to you all the lies that come out of Ukrainian women.
When, I talked about my correspondence with a young 25 year old Krivoy Rog woman it turns out this girl is already married to a local Ukrainian man there.
How do I know?
A chat friend of mine who lives in Oz on another forum went to Krivoy Rog to meet some girls before the winter sets in and just came back.
He stayed in an apartment in central Krivoy Rog and hired a translator named Svetlana.
Before he left, I gave him the address of my Miss Krivoy Rog and her pictures and offered to pay him half a days worth for the translator if he could do a quick, discreet and quiet look up of her.
Her address is real in the central city, so is the girl.He went with the translator who spoke to a few of her neighbours when she was at work. The translator told him my former Miss K.R was married, husbands name is Vitaly and they live in the apartment together and there are no kids. Husband is some kind of sales man whose work takes him away from the city sometimes.
He had dinner in a cafe across the road and spotted her coming home and able to take a good look. He said she did not look as good as her photos and was a bit plump, height of about 5ft"9..goes to show they do themselves up for photos or get them professionally done.
He got paid $40 for the info...4 hours translator.
Conclusion..girl on dating sites pretending to be single is total liar.
Where would she have hid her husband had I done a personal visit, although she did say give advance notice and not turn up on a surprise...hmmm? I think it is a scammer team or husband uses her photos and made agency profile to scam men of money and things and his wife does not know but its probably a joint show..that I will never know.
Whatever they are, they are as yet uncaught, unreported and low profile.
They can sound so real..they are real..but most Ukraine girls are pathological liars!
I emailed her and said I knew everything and gonna report her as a scammer...it has not responded...silence as it hides but I really don't think it gives a shit, anyway.
Its probably the guy playing this!
I am reporting it as scammer to UAprofiler.
Iryna Ovsiyenko of Krivoy Rog is a married scammer advertising itself as a single woman.
I added this experience to my mental list of "stupid things I have done!"
Oh yes, yet another "lemon" for the Aussieman but I have quit mail order brides, especially FSU and would not do this if I had a million dollars!
A few guys might find real good women from the FSU,but watch the Ukraine women...a few will find happiness.
Any guy embarking on this on going on personal trips to the FSU, may God go with you and take care and good luck..be alert to fishy stuff and dodgy behaviour from girls and agencies, follow the good advices in this forum and watch your back and don't get fooled and don't underestimate the power and charm of the FSU pussy ( or any womans! ), especially when it wants things for its own benefit only...and no trip is complete without sex!
And Nasfan and others..good luck to you's..until death do you part from your FSU ladies.
ps: "forever" is over rated in marriage...most marriages will not last a lifetime, anywhere nowdays...women get sick of the same old cock and will move on to others eventually!
The same can be said of us men, you get sick of the same old vagina and when the woman stops giving you sex and you are no longer sexually satisfied, that is when most men go out of the marriage looking for it..this is a very old story!
Wow for somebody who didn't care one way or another, you went to a lot of trouble for this. At this point who knows whether you are a scammer or not. You contradict yourself so much aussieman you are one not to be believed here. You have an agenda sick as it is, to make yourself the proclaimed scammer slayer on this forum. Personally I think your full of bullshit. Actually this post is bullshit. Remember telling us all, it was just darts and who cares anyway, it was a mutual thing. You broke it off. So all along you misled this girl or whatever the situation may be to make yourself look good. You need to get a life, besides the keyboard and the games you play with people.
You're illegitimate and a fraud. So you accuse others of the same scams you perpetrate on others. People like you lack credibility and honesty and cannot confront anyone personally. You do it like a coward. I doubt honestly that anyone checked on this girl. You're a shady operator and people see right through it.
Some great detective, send someone else to do your dirty work because you don't have the character to do it yourself.
Nasfan, the great caped crusader of the fiance forum leaping to the defense of all FSU women..comes to rescue of Krivoy Rog girl, the "victim" of the evil aussieman.
Go fook yourself!
You must surely know that too many burgers are not good for you. I didn't read anything whereas nasfan was leaping to the defence of all FSU women, I recall that by his own admission he can only speak with some knowledge regarding Ukrainian women, of course we have come to realise that you believe Ukraine is the FSU but perhaps if you get back onto Google, Wikipedia is an informative site, you'll educate yourself that there were a few other countries in the USSR other than Ukraine.
Booked any air tickets to Former Soviet Ukraine recently?
Love it!
He's on a sexual nostalgia trip, which one may presume he's jerking off to, he's having sexual fantasies, well it has been said that nasfan does have that effect :), and it's aussieman's fantasy to root, shag or f*ck in everyday language, a young girl.
He then goes on to state that girls, the plural of, scammed him out of money, not just the Krivoy Rog girl, but he's never travelled to FSU thus he's obviously broken, ignored, thought with his penis rather than his brain, the fundamental rule of never sending money, not just one time but a number of times.
And yet, with the Krivoy Rog girl, he claims to have found 4 scam reports regarding her and still he paid a buddy to investigate her further, a Kylie Minogue song springs to mind 'I just can't get you out of my head'.
Oh aussieman, you really are a sad excuse aren't you? I'm pissing myself here, you've never travelled to FSU, but you've sent money and on a number of occasions, and you think they can't see you coming.
aussieman, I love you, will you send me $75 please?
Anna, a very good and realistic post. You heard it guys, the real spin on this FSU MOB thing straight from the horse's mouth ( no offence meant, Anna ).
I am a 40 something guy, mid life and divorced 6 years now.
I think a lot of guys my age, get attracted to young 20 something women due to physical attraction and sexual fantasies, we go on a " a sexual nostalgia trip", think back to our 20's when we were first married and young and think how good sex and other things were but we forget that its 20 years on now and we are in our 40's or whatever and things are different. Of course its every older guys fantasy to root a girl, 20 years younger but you can't build or make a relationship based on sex.
I have made some fundamental mistakes before I gave up on international dating.
I wrote to some girls 15 to 20 years younger than me and really I had no business to do that because I was too old for them and only deluding myself and then I cry "scammer, scammer" when it goes to the shit, yeah sure, some girls did scam me out of small amounts of money ( I call it little wake up stings!) but in a few cases I set myself up for it by even writing to someone too young, be it none of the girls I wrote to were under 24, when I was 40..its too much of an age gap to start with.
I waffle on about the $75 darts set I gave a Krivoy Rog girl, yes she did ask me to help her with that and I sent it as a gift, it was not to buy love, it was too help her out and some idiots here think I cried scammer over that which is not the case at all, what happenned, I found 4 reports from other guys on her, took a lot of looking and investigation and I determined this girl was not interested in marrying or leaving Ukraine at all, just to gain a little by financial advantage and stuff from gullible guys, that was the gist of it, so why would you want a visit a girl that had scam reports on her, the cloud of constant doubt hanging over your head, you can't trust someone you have never meet and only talked to over the internet..its never going to work in such a case, you can't place faith in a girl thats been reported as a scammer by 4 different guys.
Maybe these 4 guys had sour grapes because it did not work out with her so they smeared her in scam reports on a web site as a sort of vendetta, I don't know but in such cases its too dangerous to make positive assumptions and assume she is totally innocent of any wrong doing...you can't risk a personal trip in these circumstances and also I had no business writing to her, she was only 25, even though she said she liked writing to me and did not mind the age difference, they are just only words, they will say what you want to hear and its not true...lying words on a computer or out of the mouth, they are the same thing!
Be realistic, Anna is right!
I gave up on international dating, I don't think its right for me, I can't find true girls suitable for me and my age over the internet...I deluding myself!
LMAO Martin!! Yep the caped crusader Aussieman. At least I've been there and I know something of the lifestyle. Too bad you didn't have the balls to go yourself. Though did you berate your Oz buddy for going? I think your whole post is a lie. I don't think you had anyone investigate shit.
Leaping to the defense, I will defend anyone especially from a perverted troll like yourself that condemn a whole culture, a whole gender and never once ventured to their country. Google trips don't count Aussieman. I was in Australia in 1978. The women in Perth talk pretty bad about Australian men. Does it make it true? Hardly. Though I was amazed at the 2000 some women that were at pierside in Freemantle when we pulled in. Must be some of the 2000 some odd scammers. Funny thing not a damned one of them was fat. Must have been the Australian welcome wagon.
Secondly you're an absolute idiot trusting anything UAprofiler has on their site. Funny how one of my wifes friends was listed on that site a couple of years ago. They didn't even take the time to investigate that she was married to a guy in Port Charlotte Florida a year before it was posted. They have a notorious reputation of posting innocent women on their site to promote their detective business. I would almost bet you used them and not some guy from Australia. The coincidence makes a man with common sense go yeah right, what a bunch of horseshit.
I'm sure as Martin has posted above you been scammed out of tons of money because you are such a loser. You need money to overcome your inadequate personality. No one, who doesn't care about what a woman is like pursues her with a detective or some idiot to do it. Not unless he's extremely unbalanced between the ears. Not unless she's burned him for big money, not unless they are dealing with a spurned person with a mental disorder. So which of those above do you fit under?
You're a scammer yourself, nothing you post can be trusted or taken with a grain of salt. I bet your keyboard has drool stains on it from searching these personals.
Oh by the way Aussieman 75 bucks is almost half a months wages for the typical Ukrainian woman. Don't take too many idiots like you to live free. Why shouldn't they when morons like you send money.
If I recall correctly UAprofiler is a scam itself. If memory serves me correctly the registered address of UAprofiler is the same registered address as a blacklisted agency but I cannot recall which agency.
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