Jetmba: "Success", IMO for those who go looking for a foreign wife is finding a good one and staying married to her.
Bookem-DanO: Quote: "So even though only a smal percentage of FSU girls want to leave, then ones that do are concentrated at these socials. And yes, there are all kinds of anecdotes of hookers appearing and girls looking to score free boose, but overall the socials do have women with genuine motives. (From what others have said)"
I have nothing personally against socials, it is simply noticeable there doesn't seem to be many guys (I haven’t found one) who have found a lasting wife at socials. I don't agree "the one's" who want (Or as I would suggest, would consider leaving) to leave are concentrated at socials. Conversely, I think it would be fair to suggest, socials have a good percentage of women who are prepared to leave, but it remains a niche and far from a highly representative number and the more important question is, what is their motivation for leaving?
Search Agents Translators Odessa and you’ll come up with a couple of different freelance Ukrainian guys fairly quickly. Both are pretty “Raw” with their advice, but they do happen to know their way around, have lived there all their lives and pull no punches with the dream seekers. Both will provide a whole spectrum of services if you require and both have in the past and I suspect still do, organized socials. I quizzed them both separately at one point as to whether or not they are prepared to bring paid undesirables in to bolster the numbers. Both simply smiled and said something along the lines of “Business is Business”. I suggest you search them out and talk with them.
Was that flatulence I just heard, or did DungRimming just write another post?
I see it WAS DungRimming.
He's never met a guy who has found a "lasting wife" through a Romance Social. What exactly is a "lasting wife"? I guess its one that makes forms for the production of shoes. I've never actually met a wife who does that either at a Romance Social. But then again I generally look for single women and not women who are already wives of any type.
DungRimming likes to come across as a know-it-all as if he's HAD a lot of experience meeting men who have found wives from the FSU. But the fact is that its quite unlikely that a western man who attends a Romance Social and finds a wife would have any occasion to speak to DungRimming. I mean, why would he? DungRimming lives in Russia where he bides his time hobnobbing with mulitple degreed lectures from prestigious universities complaining about westerners who visit Ukraine. Just when would he have the occasion to speak to a mere mortal westerner who only entered the FSU to attend a Romance Social, courts the lady of his choice and eventually has her move to his home country with him? Does DungRimming think that the western man would seek him out to tell of his experience? Seems unlikely at best.
The Romance Socials we are refering to are organized by represantives of to particular companies that have done it many times before. These aren't freelance guys by any means. That Dung has found a few unscrupulous translators in Odessa who don't profess that they absolutely WOULDN'T bring in undesireable woman to a Romance Social, if indeed they even even ORGANIZED something on this scale is certainly not indicative that it actually happens. And even if it did, as desperate as Dung has been to try and prove that there might be hookers (Oh No!!!) at Romance Socials - such women are easy to avoid by serious men who are sincerely looking for a wife.
In short DungRimming once again proves his ignorance.
Jetmba: The fact that you respond so inaccurately and emotionally only demonstrates you now have an element of doubt in your mind. That's a start. BTW, where did you glean I lived in Russia. Another of your ridiculous inaccurate assumptions, but then I guess one would expect that from a serial failure. If I happen to associate with a decent level of human being, which I’m sure is quite foreign to you, then if you find that hard to swallow, get over it. Somewhere along the long the way you will wake up to your failure and maybe rethink your strategy to something worthwhile. Results speak for themselves. In who knows how many years thus far you have zero result and BOTH (LOL) of your current relationships show no sign of materializing into anything other than distant GF’s. Was it not you who stated you only wanted one woman? Your claimed actions, as much of your inane rambling, self contradict. Do carry on…………….
Quote: “courts the lady of his choice “.
OMG. The lady of his choice among a bunch of ………………………that some monkey organized for him to see. That’s called being railroaded.
Is that the best you can do now? To suggest that people who attend ROmance Socials are being "railroaded"? Well at least you've given up, for now, hysterically crying "There may be hookers there!, Oh NO!!!!".
"Railroading" generally means to be forced or convicted to a single action, with false charges or undue haste. There are generally between 600 and 800 different women who attend the three events over three nights of the typical Romance Social that I am refering to. These are not little penny-ante events staged by your unscrupulous and "raw" cohorts you mention above ("I happen to associate with a decent level of human being, which I'm sure is quite foreign to you"... how is that again?).
Having 600 to 800 choices, and more available through catalogs of profiles provided by the event organizers, could never be considered "railroading" except by someone with a limited understanding of the meaning of the word. But I get the impression that there are a lot of English words with which you have a limied undertanding. Its all part of being ignorant.
The rest of your post seems to be a desperate attempt at innuendo and the twisting of fact and therefore not worthy of a response.
Do go back to telling us about the many multi degreed people you associate with, and your pleasant dinners with those associated with Moscow State University. Try again to impress us "common folk" in the forum with your association with intellectual and "high level" people that we meger existance will never have the chace of rubbing elbows with. You were quite ammusing when you did that. Please tell us more of stories of your wonderful and fabled life.
Quote: "limied." I paid you the compliment of searching your word and this is what came up..... “Inherent physical difficulties associated with the effect of low-velocity anomalies on wave propagation, limited data sets, and restricted illumination angles” “This study evaluates various inversion methodologies” Well done, it describes you so very accurately. Particularly the “limited data sets, and restricted illumination angles” section.
Quote: “intellectual and "high level" people that we meger existance will never have the chace of rubbing elbows with.” Agreed, LOL, with that array of spelling, you are too right.
Quote: “Having 600 to 800 choices, and more available through catalogs of profiles provided by the event organizers”. What a delightful Cesspool, was that your dating pool to choose from? The ones the local boys have passed over. Next you’ll be telling us they are all virgins because FSU women still outnumber men by 10-1. Stick with being the resident motor mouth for the newbies, they are the only ones who’s eyes you might pull the wool over.
It's not surprising really. Criticizing spelling (a typo in this case) is usually the last vestige of argument for the intellectually challenged. They really have nothing else to fall back on and its an act of desperation. Sums up dung's position rather well.
"What a delightful Cesspool, was that your dating pool to choose from? The ones the local boys have passed over. " So by nature any FSU woman who is interested in western men of of the cesspool-category? Didn't you say that you as a western man, married a Russian woman? How, exactly did you retrieve her from the cesspool? And was she hard to clean up? (Did the chemicals from the cesspool damage her skin?)
Quote: "So by nature any FSU woman who is interested in western men of of the cesspool-category?" That would be to assume your implication of the Social’s attendees being representative of all available FSU women.
Quote: “damage her skin?”. Funny. My wife has near perfect skin which I get to touch rather often whilst you are ………………………. what was it? “Trying to work it out”. Jetmba, you’re probably not a bad guy at heart, if you would lose the attitude, step back and look at the bigger picture, not be so mono focused and open your thinking a little, you’d probably achieve your ambitions with a lot less hassle. Your, my way or the highway attitude won’t cut it with an FSU woman through marriage, there is too much “Russian” in most of them to tolerate that. That’s the bit you need to sort out and like it or not, all of that is way in front of you yet and BTW, if you think the finding, dating and courting thing is a “Process”, you haven’t seen anything yet.
This where intelligence seems to fail you (as if it ever really got a foothold...). The women at Romance ARE representative of FSU women in general - with the single exception that they are single. Thats something that you have not yet been able to grasp. But I imagine that there are a lot of things you do not grasp so I am not surprised. Assuming that you met your wife when she was single - she was of that same category - a cesspool dweller by your definition.
Regarding second Quote:
You fail to understand that I am not seeking advice on how to win an FSU lady. (And if I WAS seeking advice on that or on any other subject it certainly wouldn't be from you.) What part of "I already HAVE an FSU lady." is it that you don't understand? If I have any problem at all it is in reducing the size of the roster. But I suppose that you could give me advice on making a woman go running and screaming in the other direction. I have no doubt that your pomposity has you quite experienced in that regard.
Keep trying Dung, and someday you'll get a clue. (But I doubt you'll know what to do with that either....)
Quote: “The women at Romance ARE representative of FSU women in general”. Wrong again, but you’ll never get that. Representative of some FSU women and to use your own words, “In General” not regarded by those who have been around a while as being representative of the better ones. To each his own and if you’ve found your niche, that’s fine, but don’t try to push your nonsense of Socials attendees being a general representation down everyone’s neck because it is just that, nonsense.
Quote: “I am not seeking advice on how to win”. I never tried to advise you on how to win anything. I think winning is entirely unachievable with your attitude. What I pointed out to you in the first place was that most FSU women don’t want to leave. Latterly, I pointed out there is more to this caper than attending socials if you want to find someone decent. You painted yourself into a corner by throwing a hissy fit because someone doesn’t agree with you and that’s your choice but get it into your head, that sort of attitude won’t cut it with FSU women in the long term.
Quote: "I already HAVE an FSU lady." Correction, “Both”, which is reasonable to assume two, maybe more?. That adds up to nothing at this stage because you are still “Trying to work it out”. You don’t have “HAVE an FSU lady”. You are actually right at the beginner’s stage with much too big of an ego to realize it. Once you have the K-1 (Or whichever visa you seek) approved and she lands on your doorstep, place a mark on the wall at the 5% stage, because that is about where you will find yourself. The real work starts then. The first year together will be the toughest year of your life and it might get slightly easier during the second year but don’t count on it.
Quote: “I love it when people knock something as a practie that doesn't work and then go back to beating their heads against the wall following practices that TRULY don't work.” Herein lies a fundamental difference between you and I. Even allowing for sarcasm in your words, that you would even suggest there is any amusement or pleasure in seeing anyone fail, demonstrates an underlying jealous bitterness no doubt driven by your own inability to achieve. Personally, I take no pleasure in seeing people fail and on the contrary, rather enjoy to read or witness the success stories. For whatever reason, yours isn’t one of them and with your current attitude, isn’t likely to be any time soon. Never mind, there is hope, one old geezer of 66 who has been chasing young FSU fluff for 11 years, finally married his 28 Y/O visa jockey a few months ago so you still have a few years up your sleeve before you break the record of the most number of years failing at international relationships.
You have to learn how to stop speaking out of your ass. You have NEVER BEEN to a Romance Social or have anything to do with them. Therefore everything you say about them is entirely conjecture. You are basing your entire argument on wild guesses and nothing more.
I HAVE been to a Romance Social. I HAVE met the ladies involved. My argument is based on experience and direct observation.
You are a complete and utter MORON - who makes up information by pulling it out of his ass.
Your argument have absolutely no merit or foundation whatsover and as such isn't worth the time to READ.
I happen to be doing WONDERFULLY and am quite happy with my situation despite your continued INSISTANCE that I am NOT!
If any guy here want real advice on this - Not misinformed ASS FLAPPING from DungRimming - I will be happy to answer quetion.
DungRimming is a boring ingorant ass who continues on things he doesn't have a clue about and I will try my best to ignore him from now on (though I don't promise it).
DungRimming - go back to the self-proclaimed cesspool you fished your wife out of and take a dip yourself. I'm sick of talking to a know-nothing idiot.
danny and DungRimming - two of most ignorant and misinformaed people in this forum.
Neither went through anything like the process that the rest of us are going through in finding a wife in the FSU - but both are self professed experts at it.
It seems that both post only to read their own rantings.
And both are pretty much useless.
Biggest difference? DungRimming has better grammar or the two.
Jetmba: Angry little number aren’t you. Two more of your senseless, name calling, classless rants. Got it off your deluded chest yet?
Quote: “I will be happy to answer quetion.” With what? More advice on how to fail as you have. Be my guest, be everyone’s guest for that matter, you seem to love to preach. Pity there isn’t any substance to it. Bit like your spelling actually, habitually hopeless.
Quote: “better grammar or the two.” Not to mention anyone else’s constant poor dictation. Something which is critical to developing a cross cultural, cross language relationship. But all that is years in front of you yet, if ever……………………….
Quote: “Neither went through anything like the process that the rest of us are going through in finding a wife in the FSU - but both are self professed experts at it.” No Jetmba, wrong again, it is you who constantly claims to have all the answers and all the knowledge, I’ve merely shone the light on a little of your nonsense. This “Process” as you keep referring to it is entirely of your own making and hyper extended by your own refusal to see reality. BTW, you would have no idea of what “processes” I’ve been though in this pursuit. Another of your ridiculous speculations.
Quote: “You have NEVER BEEN to a Romance Social or have anything to do with them.” Another assumption.
Quote: “If any guy here want real advice on this” Now we are getting to the crux of your rants. You’ve stomped about the forum for a while, mouthing off and trying to create the impression you know a thing or two, when in fact you have no idea whatsoever of what lies in front of you or how to even get there and when someone points a light on your nonsense, you spit the dummy out and rave ceaselessly in order to try to grab attention. Good luck with “Working it out” because you are sure going to need it.
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