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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > "Why do so many men look to the Ukraine for women " Author Post Dale E Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/1/2004 3:55:33 PM   I think you're right Tim. I'm using "windows" and they have been left wide open. TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/2/2004 7:17:32 AM   LOL Okna ne karashaw ;o)) hziraq Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/21/2004 4:58:40 PM   aha nice to hear that.I am Hazim from Iraq.I found Ukrainian girl in when I visited Syria .She is working at night club.I loved her because she is very pretty.All my thought about her so , what can I do in that case. Hazim / Iraq scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/21/2004 5:05:18 PM   Hmm, not sure why you are responding to a thread over 6 months old. If she worked in a night club, may I ask what she did in that night club? I think you might be far better served looking else where. Of course, to a degree, I wonder if she was there voluntarily. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/21/2004 5:20:18 PM   And what is wrong with night clubs Scott??? Working in the night club may be officiant, dancer (just dancing nothing else), bartender and so on. And don't forget administration...of course if she was a prostitute there...then no other words are needed. And then it's better to look elsewhere to my mind!!! scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/21/2004 6:39:48 PM   That is precisely why I asked what she did in that 'nightclub". GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/21/2004 7:16:02 PM   The general concept of a nighclub in an islamic country is synonimous of whorehouse. Didn't he say he met her in Syria? scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/21/2004 8:28:45 PM   I didn't want to be that blunt, but that was my overall thought, too. Well, it's to the point! jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/22/2004 2:28:24 AM   hey wessman, where are you now when the whole world needs you now. arent you going to write a big long bleeding heart symphony about how it is all in our minds that no one can see what you can see? LOL HEY TIM H i totally respect you because you are one of the very few men who owns a pair of balls and can state exactly what is in front of his own eyeballs. i have said this the whole time . some just hate to admit it. low cut tops, cleavage, letters they never wrote how much they want to meet a nice clever man who wants to build a serious family? give me the puke bucket. every goddam ukrainian in one way or another had to lie or make a simple dollar off of me. idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/22/2004 2:41:27 AM   Oh poor jmoluv, maybe you just look stupid LOL and that what happened to you. But seriously, these girls you speak of exist but there are good one too, just maybe not in Kiev. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/22/2004 3:31:25 AM   hey ID it happens out here more than you think . most men dont have the balls to admit it let alone write about it and maybe you to MR. tim h hit the nail on the head with his original post . idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/22/2004 4:16:48 AM   No I am sorry tim is not correct. Tim has a girl somewhere in siberia. He thinks that she is honest and all that. Maybe she is. I like tim but he is very one eyed in his opinions. His girls agency is saying why do you go to Ukraine when everyone in siberia is honest and in Ukraine they are all scammers. Rubbish!! I meet girls in Ukraine who said, I am sorry but I think we are not compatable. They asked me for no money. Now I did not get what I wanted exactly but that is honesty. I know of a man in weasturn Australia 40 years old married to a 25 year old glammer. Now she is not happy I am told but she knoew her heart before she came but still came. Opinion is she will soon leave him. There are a million stories, some good, some bad. My father always said the squeaky wheel gets the oil. Bad stories are news, good ones are not. Plenty of girls are dishonest in Ukraine, and everywhere else too. MOst of us have been done at some time but some more than others. If tim is such a staight shooter about these girls, why dose he have one? spirittraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/23/2004 12:49:05 PM   First,I want to say hi to you all--it has been a while since I wrote to the forum. I really like to come here and read the postings. I miss Tim`s input. He has struggled hard to get to where he is-what he wanted,and now he is with his Natasha,and all I have are best wishes for him. I have been down the hard road a few times with women-American mostly. But as I.D. has written,it is so easy to fall for the glamour girl from Ukraine or Russia or Latvia or wherever. I was quite enamored of a woman who felt comfortable enough to send me topless photos of herself,but by this point in time I was learned enough to be suspicious of this. Of course it went nowhere. I started talking with and e-mailing a woman 2 years ago from Kirovohrad. I was infected by her laugh,her intelligence and her perspectives of culture,religion,and relating to people. I attracted to her also because she is not exactly a beauty queen,but slender,and pleasant looking. I know that what is beauty lies within a person-man or woman. I voiced to her my suspicions of women ( all ) in general. She also explained to me about western men who only want the nookie from foreign women--who will use them up and then leave them flat. It is a 2 way gamble always for any relationship.We were temporarily disconnected last ( 03 ) fall,and when I heard from her again,she had married a man,and is now living in New York state. I was devastated, shocked,and angry. But gradually I came to cherish her company and friendship again--even as much as I loathed to hear her speak of her "husband". This is a rich man with many boy toys who can flout his money all over the world in search of a good time. Now,he has filed for divorce,after less than a year of marriage. He called me on my cell phone once,drunk,telling me how bad she was,and how I will never,ever be with her. SHe is also unhappy. Now to the point of my letter. Does this mean she will immediately lose her visa/immigrant status? I do not want to complicate her with my own thoughts of marriage right now,because I know what a raw and emotional thing divorce is. And nasty too.I am torn between going to New York to "save" her for myself,and I know I am being selfish in this thought. I am also thinking that perhaps I should let happen what will,in the thought that I would be the better person by continuing to love her,and going to her hometown to meet with her parents,and perhaps stay a while there,while learning more of the language and customs. I can say this about her,and perhaps eastern women as well. They are damn tough. I do not have to be a "loss counselor",as this is something which happens to everybody. So--please any advice for this torn but tenderhearted man from anybody would be appreciated. Thank you if you have read this. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/23/2004 1:01:28 PM   Look elsewhere, spirit... anyone going through divorce needs time to recover...OH HER/HIS own. toad jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/23/2004 2:56:09 PM   hey spirittraveller, move on plenty of fish in the sea. my close friend oksana in kyiv showed up to meet me and brought a friend with her as company named svetlana. i asked her what was her friends story was. she met a man from virginia at a social in kyiv. they really liked each other. he sent for her and her daughter. they lived together for a while and the three month visa time was getting close to expiring. he liked her and was getting ready to propose and marry if she wanted. here the whole time she did not like him and was on his computor looking for other men while he was at work. a very wealthy man came and took her away with her daughter and married her in the same breath that day. only moments before his planned proposal. he married her in virginia and they also wanted to do the ceremony a second time in a ukrainian church. that was why she was back to make plans. she did not know english so oksana told me the story in her presence. needless to say she was dropdead gorgeous. i had an instant disdain for her. these days i just find it hard to beleive anyone. this shit happens with these fsu women all the time. Twinkle Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2004 1:58:03 PM   Dear Spirittraveller :) Listen yours Heart. Please, read and re-read your sincere letter many times and you will find all the answers to all your questions. Please, believe, you will find into your Soul all the advises you need. Please, don`t show your back to your Inner Voice... Do ahead - as you as she - both need to do steps toward each other. I wish you the best of LUCK. God Bless. Tatiana. wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2004 2:14:31 PM   No, I do not think this shit happens all the time, you my man are seriously stuck in a negative mind set, all you remember are people's negative stories, the disasters and the heartbreak. Beyond that jmlo you are narrow minded about the process, unwilling to accept suggestions, have a need to be right and a bit lazy. Somehow you need to change your thinking or every experience you create for yourself will be a negative one. Please don't tell me how great things are going either, I have read your threads and realize that you are hurting. Please develop a plan and work it. Quit being so negative here, it is very discouraging for guys that are hopeful. Spitrvl. Hey send her a ticket to your place for a visit, bet she needs a break, and see how it goes. wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2004 2:20:00 PM   Sprittraveler, When I say send her a ticket I mean be her friend, she could use a friend, I did not mean this as an invitation to take advantage of a woman with a fractured psyche. Not that you would do something like that. idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2004 4:20:50 PM   wess, you make me laugh. What you say about jmoluv may be true, acualy I think it is, but, you are the most unwilling to take surgestion an narrow minded person about this proccess here. Look in your own back yard before you throw such alligations around. You have never been there yet when people tell you the reality of it, you blow them off like you know something they do not. Please don't misunderstand me, you have good positive attitute, you have some good things to say and generaly I like you, but one eyed you definently are. wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2004 6:32:27 PM   Generalizing, I hate it Id, not a great story and sad that it happened, but it ends with this shit happens with these fsu women all the time. It does not. I am a positive minded, optimistic, romantic. I try to find the positive in the negative. There are just too many honest hard working loving and loyal women in the FSU. Perhaps these guy's with the horror stories bring this shit on them selves with their negative bullshit. See there is this sort of stand going on that this shit happens all the time and the forum is one scam story after the other and that is not the truth, if so why are there so many of us here. Some of you think that writing letters is a waste of time, and traveling and meeting is a better way to go. I can see the value of traveling and meeting woman. I would ask Toad which city to visit where there was a language school which is more my style and as a back up only. My stand is to write letters, make a connection, make phone calls, build an emotional bond, and get to know each other so there is a strong connection before you meet. This connection enhances the physical connection we call chemistry. This process will make it harder to fall victim to heartbreak after the trip. Personally I would like to travel to Africa, or the jungles of South America, I am not up for a sight seeing tour of Lugansk unless my soul mate was there waiting. You are right I have not traveled there, so my lack of experience makes my perspective useless here. But for you guys that have been doing this for almost two years or more and have made 4-5-6- trips to FSU and keep writing negative horror stories got it all going on right! I have been researching since I got here two whole months ago and I have no personal experience my input is from what I have read from people that have been successful at this, that means been here or on line at a site like this, traveled a broad, met, and married. See this is successful to me completing the process. Oh and being married for four or five years too. Meeting and marrying for 3-6 moths is less than successful to me. Like I said before I live on the beach in Saint Petersburg Beach Florida, this place is full of foreign women that I can have sex with so why would I travel to a cocktail party in the FSU. Well this is all I can allow my heart to bleed right now I need to save some for another thread! 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