I couldn't live with it ptichka, if someone wants to be unfaithful to you, then they don't love you, hence why try and stop someone being unfaithful, makes no sense, I need my freedom, she should have it as well, I cannot have a relationship without two way trust, so I would have to spell that out from the start
I am only going to see 1 Tim, have no other arrangements in place even though I correspond with two other girls in Chisinau, they don't know I am coming, think that would be unfair on the one I have arranged to meet
I had a few ladies in the same city, but ruled meeting them out all pretty quick. Unless your going on the tour I think your asking for trouble meeting more than one. Its too much of a secret I think to juggle a few in one trip. Too many what if's involved-lying and all that other unfaithful stuff. Especially if they think your coming just to see them. If it doesn't work out lick your wounds, go back home and count your loose change and try again. This time with more knowledge
I wasnt aware of yoru exact plans Trad, but I agree with your views completely, it would not be at all fair, and if a woman was to do it to any of us we would feel like sh*t about it Im sure, so best not get into the mess in the first place :o)
Here here Crash, my sentiments precisely.
If you are going to meet more than one (new guys pay attention here) then you shouldnt be going at all !!! Because you are Not commited, you are playing the field, and with FSU women, that really is a shitty thing to do !!!
Again for the new guys:
How would you feel if the girl you have devoted your trip to, suddenly announced half way through your stay, that she had to leave you for a few days to meet another guy she had been writing to ? You would be devastated, so why would you think its OK to do it to her ? .. Think before you go down this road, and realise its a bad way to behave !!
Call me wierd, but when it comes to housechores I rather hire a housekeeper to keep it clean, lol....
The mere thought of going through all this research, correspondence and eventually meeting, courting, falling in love and marrying an FSU woman only to see here on her knees scrubbing toilets somehow does not add up to my vision of married life.
There are pleasurables things a woman can do on her knees...and scrubbing toilets/floors ain't any of them!!!!
I am an above average cook, so I'll let her do the dishes after our meals, lol...:))))
Tim - a rare case where I have to disagree with you. If you are only writing to the women involved, and as long as you are totally honest with them and tell them that you have plans to meet more than one - than i see nothing wrong with planning to meet more than one woman on a trip.
Some of us are not gifted when it comes to writing. Some of us do not "fall in love" based only on the written word. I feel it is ABSOLUTELY necessary to actually meet the woman faceto face before you can even consider a serious relationship.
None of us are foolish enough to think that the women we are writing to may not be writing to other guys. I'm sure that the women do not necessarily think we are writing to only them.
Dating Russian women is like any other type of dating. When you are commited - you should be commited with all of your heart. But until that time - while you are serching - there is nothing wrong with meeting more than one woman on a trip.
Remember my background of coming through the "Socials" arranged by European Connections. I went to meet Russian women. They were there to meet American guys. I had a chance to have face to face meetings with many.
Para 1)
If you are honest thats fine, but I wouldnt expect the ladies to be at all happy about it, even if you are honest. You were honest yourself I think ?
But you never got chance to meet the second one, because the first one held you to randsom, correct ?
Para 2
Yes of course its like All dating (although you in the US view dating differntly to us in the UK,, a date for you guys is a one shot deal, after which another may never follow, but then again if you want to date another the next day, noone seems to mind, here its not like that, but thats a whole other thread :o) ) What Im saying mate, is if you are going with the intention of meeting Lots of women and dating a few, 1 you should be up front about it, and not be suprised if 80% of your targets jump ship before you even leave to go there, or 2 go on a tour, where everyone is equal, and noone has been built up with lots of letters to be brought down when she finds out you have another 3 lined up to date during your trip.
Para 5
I think the way you have played it so far has been gentlemanly (probably a bit too so with you know who in the circs ! But at least you got away in one piece in the end !!) I have no issues with men going to socials and meeting 50 girls if thats what they want, but the ones who write to say 5, and get intimate with all 5, then go and visit all 5 !! In my mind are just playboys, and shouldnt be permitted to spoil the chances of decent guys like all of us, by going there and souring the ladies about western men. Many women I know personally have bitter views about westerners for exactly this reason !!
My Ukrainian sister is of the opinion that many US men are assholes. Now hear me out before you explode :o)
She has met about 20, most of which were indeed grade A dyed in the wool dickheads !! But then she met Steve, her husband of almost 9 months now, and she adores him, so in hindsight she has been proved wrong, not All US men are idiots, but from her experiences as a translator, watching and translating for girls in her city when their men come to visit, this was her view of every one she met except Steve !!
As I said mate, she has changed her opinion since meeting Steve, but she was Very anti American men before him as every one she had met, and many she had just translated letters for at work were assholes :o//
Of course I have met many Americans, and disagree with her blanket slagging off :o) But the US, like the UK, like the FSU has its fair share of losers :o))
Trouble is, if 5% of any country are dipsticks, then 5% of the US, compared to 5% of the UK is a huge difference :o))
Whne you compare 75 million in the UK to almost 300 million in the US :o)
Tim: I am aware that Americans tend to have more of a casual attitude to dating than the rest of the world might have. And I am talking here about a comparison to FSU countres AS WELL AS other European countries.
Perhaps some of us want to "try before you buy" a little more. It is probably a cultural difference.
Point taken.
And when I wrote what I wrote above:
<If you are only writing to the women involved, and as long as you are totally honest with them and tell them that you have plans to meet more than one - than i see nothing wrong with planning to meet more than one woman on a trip. >
I wasn't necessarily refering to my case. I was talking about a hypothetical case. First of all - I wasn't merely writing to these girls, I knew them in person. Second - I admit that I wasn't totally honest with the one - I never actually told her that I intended to see the other. I intended to break it to her while there. It was not a good plan. I have admited in previous threads that I wasn't entire fautless in my situation and this is what I was refering to.
But, ideally, if you are honest and upfront (which whether caused by circumstances or poor planning, I was less than) I feel that there should be nothing wrong.
"Call me wierd, but when it comes to housechores I rather hire a housekeeper to keep it clean"....GLTALLTOAD that's of course a very very good intention...but when it comes to the traditions and way of thinking of the majority of girls here this won't work. Why? I will explain, there may be several thoughts he has in mind:
1. if you hire a housekeeper then you think that she is not able to take care about the house.
2. if you hire a housekeeper then you think that she is not tidy.
3. if you hire a housekeeper then she may think that this is your ex or present lover and you want to keep her closer to you.
4. if you hire a housekeeper then she may think that you're not pleesed with her in bed and want to have another woman close to you.
5. And the last but not the least, not a single woman from here (at least as far as I know) will allow another woman to cleen dishes after her, to wash and iron her clothes, to dust and clean in her flat....there is nothing you can do about that.
Of course all the reasons I gave are hypothetical, but some time ago me and my friends we all discussed it, after seeing a film or something like, and these are just some of the thoughts that we told...so keep that in mind:)
Pitchka, you are 100% correct i what you say. I know some woman from your region and they would all think the same things, toad, its true, you a weirdo mate ;o)