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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Down But Not Out Author Post GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/7/2005 10:58:40 AM   Uncle, In other words, what you are telling us is that Felice is and acts like a man of integrity that honors the memmory of his patriotic family ancestors who defended and served his country and that he also protects, helps and serves western men in their search for a good FSU woman as well as guarding the safety, welfare and virtuosity of countless belarusian ladies who come to him or that he finds who knows where....AS LONG AS HIS POCKETS ARE WELL FED! Then on the other side of the coin you have his actions towards men in the same search who do not want to use his agency, or any other agency for that matter. Then is it OK for him to GOSSIP by taking comments made here and using them to antagonize his stable of ladies against men who declare will never use hisservices? Is it also acceptable, since he has no contractual obligation, to use someone's negative experience and turn it into a weapon against them? Like most russian men these days, Felice is a pimp or a wannabe pimp. His integrity level is a zero to the left. When he comes into this forum bragging about his agency's "Fringe Benefits" do you think he's talking about the health insurance plan or 401K he offers to his employees? No one here is that naive, mate. When I started this search I was, at one time, on the fence about using an agency to help me communicate with ladies whose language skills would keep us from connecting. It was Felice's attitude and disposition that pushed me over to sear off ALL middlemen in my search. Period. I am glad your personal story is a positive one. Without exception, I wish everyone who's paid Felice's his fees to achieve what they seek andreceives good service and help from him. But please do not try to sell me his integrity and honorability. He already did that long ago for less than pennies. toad izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/7/2005 5:28:51 PM   Well said Toad. This guy is to integrity as Richard Simmons is to masculinity. NON EXISTENT! As for me things have take a turn somewhat for the better and Marina and I are trying to solve our difficulties. I don't have a clue as to whether it is possible but we are trying. If we solve this we will both emerge much stronger and knowledgable on the other side. I don't think anyone can accuse me of not giving this my best shot. And then some. :)) Still got my sense of humor. unclebuck Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/7/2005 5:48:34 PM   Izi, Hang in there, only you and Marina can work this out and I have confidence in you. One word of advice, these women take things quite litteraly so be spacific. They also want to see if you are a push over so do not be afraid to say something like "Wait one min." or to ask them to clarify what they think you said. Your a good guy and that goes a longway in life. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/7/2005 7:40:02 PM   Uncle, The literal way they take things is a refreshing change to the politically correct bullshit demands american women and society in general want to be treated with. you can actually talk to them about the things you consider important in your relationship and your future together and count they will listen respectfully even if she disagrees with you. And yes, they will test you, measure you and weigh your worthiness as a man, faithful husband, reasonably good provider, your health and everything else they think is important in a mate for a serious relationship and/or marriage. They'll be doing it all along, long before you meet them. Why shouldn't they? I even suggest you get a physical check before going to meet her including a sperm count to show her you're still able to conceive if the age difference is significant. I did it a couple of weeks before I confirmed my flight plans, got the results in a week and went ahead knowing I still had to be careful if I didn't want to see little toads all over Siberia. We may be spending much more money than they do in this search. But proportionaly to their income, savings and resources there is not that much difference when you consider most of them have to take unpaid time off from work when you come to visit, or spend money on fixing their apartment for you to stay, or buy food to cook for you and many other little things that we may sometimes overlook or simply take for granted. And should they break into a screaming whaling tantrum, china throwing fit or likewise routine whenever you disagree or simply say "NO, I want this, instead" you know you're barking up the wrong tree. Izi, I don't know what you're doing, but I hope it works out for you. You already know what I think. Toad izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/8/2005 9:04:51 AM   Uncle & Toad, What has happened is that I am addressing an email, a very long panicky email, that outlined Marina's terrors. Yes I do not say that lightly. Terrors. She is afraid of many things and I would really, really like to get my hands on that American bastard in Chicago. In his 60's and a player, absolute bastard. She to this day will not accept that this guy was a creep. Anyway Uncle I told her to shut up, literally. I told her I will give her permission to write to me when I am finished. Apparently this has been totally accepted and she has become very quiet. I am now explaining to her in a very methodical manner everything from, medical insurance to job prospects. From adoption to money details. She now knows I expect a clean fridge and no frigging stupid car accidents:)) I don't want to give the wrong impression. I went over huge chunks of this already before I visited but somehow it missed the mark. Language? I don't know. All I know is that I am doing it again but this time in an in your face, logical manner. A 1, 2, 3 approach. If this then that kind of thing. If nothing else it makes me feel better and I am creating emails that I can adapt and cut and paste in the future. This is by no means to give the impression that everything is now back on track. No, no, no. It is a process I am going through and I thought I had already covered. Apparently it did not sink in. Having coldly looked at the financial situation I find myself better off than I thought I was. If I get to the end of this and there is ANY attitude whatsoever, I am off. Think of this as above and beyond the call of duty. However I actually have a good feeling about this. She has apologized to me and I have made it clear that she is not the only fish. I have an inbox stuffed with beautiful women with boy children. Younger just as attractive, intelligent and talented. She had me hooked there for a while just like an American would have. I thought that I had to sell myself and that I was beholden to her good graces. Bullshit, I was completely wrong. Toad In the next email the prenup is coming out. I have decided that I agree with you after all. I was supposed to have an American attorney contact me about this but she didn't return my phone call. I will email you about the mechanics of this after all you are the expert:)) izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/8/2005 9:16:35 AM   Once again I am sharing this ongoing situation with the forum. Others out there will experience the same crap as me and maybe by reading this you will be helped. Forgetting about Marina for a moment there are a lot of women out there in FSU that are time wasters. I have recently come across a few. A Moldovian that isn't ready to leave her country mentally. What the hell is she on line for? Why write to me? A young Belarussian who is willing to do anything to rescue her boys including selling herself. An idiot Ukrainian that wants to return every 2 months and how much money do I earn. And on and on and on. Sometimes it is better the devil you know. Fingers crossed but if not upwards and onwards. :)) GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/8/2005 1:34:25 PM   No, Izi.. I'm not the prenup expert, only most outspoken advocate for them. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/8/2005 2:11:40 PM   You know more about it than do GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/8/2005 7:40:06 PM   Yes, I do...but I cannot give you legal advice. This is NOT something you should do on your own, OK? izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/9/2005 3:38:51 AM   Toad Nobody asked you to. I was thinking more in terms of pointing to a lawyer who specialises in them or something on the net you use as a reference, I have not had much luck looking. Perhaps ready made forms or something like that. Dale E Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/9/2005 3:59:22 AM   Izi- Get your priorities straight first! 1. Find woman 2. Find Pre-nup izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/9/2005 4:14:56 AM   reverse I thingk GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/9/2005 10:31:32 AM   Izi, Dale's order is correct. You can only prepare YOUR side of the prenup befpre you find the right woman. A prenup is nothing more than a way to document what you both want and you will be going about doing it. Not just a way to protect your assets. Until you decide who you're going to marry you don't know what provisions you'll need to make for her safety and piece of mind, or that of her chid(ren) if she has any. All prenups are very individualized documents, no such thing as a 'one fits all'. The most crucial part at this stage is finding a reasonable way to explain the importance of it to your future wife without causing misguided feelings about it. toad izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/9/2005 3:32:44 PM   I understand aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/10/2005 6:46:37 AM   izifaddag, listen to toad and others. Forget Marina, don't look back. I remember with my bust up with a similar local women ( dirty, untidy,f..ked in the head ) we ended up having a massive quarrel in a Casino restaurant full of about 300 people ( it was a buffet, carvery, self serve bistro kind of thing, all you can eat ) she swore at me in public for me no reason so I slammed my plate of food on the ground and the fight started because I think the whole relationship hit a boiling point and I blew my stack. I told her to go and get "f.cked" and that I had put up with 12 years of friggen crap with my ex-wife and I was not going to put up with it with her and said goodbye and walked off and made my own way home..I never looked back and I never took her back because I knew she was wrong for me and bad news! You do the same izifadag, cut Marina off..no apologies accepted, no sympathy will be entered into..just f.ck her off and forget her..block her e-mail..refuse to tak phone calls..stuff her..shes blown it..move on izi and forget htis bitch, Marina! aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/10/2005 7:07:45 AM   There not all bad, these FSU girls, izi. There are some honest ones but you must seek them out and check them out..don't go for girls that use the The Bat! e-mailer or x-mailer as the The Bat! e-mail software is very popular with scammmers as it is easy to use and versatile mass mailling and spam abilities ( check in e-mail properties or headers to see if she is using The Bat! comes up in e-mail properties on Outlook Express as X-mailer = The Bat! personal version or version 2.12 etc, and also another one to look out for is virus check by Dr. Web version bla bla etc. as I have seen these software use frequently by scammers ). Just because she maty use the Bat! e-mailer it does not necessarily mean she is a scammer but chances are really good that it is so be careful. If they intitiate contact with you first off free sites such as Yahoo Personals then forget it..its a scammer trolling for prey and delete such e-mail. Just a footnote, I talked a few months ago about a girl called Elena from Kiev who also used the Bat e-mailer from day one and guess what..a few weeks ago she got listed as a scammer on UAPROFILER.COM and I did not put her up there...I wasted 8 months with her but got suspicious about 6 months in..I was not ready to do a trip because of family court legal committments and costs at the time to sort my ex and child contact issues ( the family court had to tell her twice to give me my kids access visits )..some of these bloody women! izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/10/2005 12:36:27 PM   Thanks Aussie, Things are still gently moving along with Marina. It might all be solvable. Don't know. We are working on it. I will know for sure tomorrow. The jury is out at the moment for both of us. I have alternatives. I have given this my last shot. She is not a scammer though she has problems created by past experiences and I understand where she is coming from. I am somewhat like that myself. 12 years of marriage does that to you. I will say this. I believe that if she decides to commit and come over to the light it will take a crowbar and a pound of grease to make her leave me. I can't explain it any other way. Once she decides to go green I will probably have the most wonderful woman on earth. Nothing would be easier than to just walk away. However I have invested 5 months in this and I am not going away without a last effort. That took place from last Thursday till today. Now I wait. spirittraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/10/2005 4:20:12 PM   I really admire your persistence. And we are all really the culmination of our own experiences,good or bad. I hope your persistence helps to break down the walls of her reluctance. Maybe time is the only means of persuasion here. The construction of emotional intimacy is like a fragile stick house-one easily destroyed by not so volatile winds. It could also be that you are the rock of stability that she has not witnessed before. I hope your love will bring her around. Much luck and well wishes to you both!! unclebuck Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2005 12:30:20 PM   IZI, You just hang in there! It is tough to make an equitable balance with your feelings. These women will test you to see if you are a (REAL MAN) in thier cultural ideas. They want a peince but they want a man to set perameters on them at the same time. Tell her that these things are not acceptable and number them 1234 ect. She wants to know that you love her enough to say no (sort of like children). I bet if you clear the air she will roll over and want her belly rubbed. Your a good guy but, don't apply western courting mrthods to all you do. It is a balancing act I know, but you can do it. My lady started acting foolishly and I just said NO and she straighted right up and loved me for it. Now I'm not talking about being a jerk, but just firmly state that NO means NO and that you will be more than happy to explain why you said NO in a private setting so you can give her the respect she deserves. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2005 5:16:43 PM   UB That is kind of what is happening. She still retains her pride but you are hitting the right nerve. I don't think it is hopeless now and am willing to give this my best effort. However I have developed another couple of posibilities just in case. We were at 5% it went to 25% it is about 33% right now. Don't be surprised if in a few days I say I am going again. I am waiting for a few answers right now before I look for a ticket but I'm convinced that she really cares and wants to straighten this thing out. I am not happy but it is better. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Down But Not Out
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