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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Upside down thinking Author Post GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2005 9:32:13 AM   Wtrav, I do appreciate your point about my lack of emotional description. It is purely intentional on my part and not for lack of feelings between us. I assure you that Lena and I are not only of one mind about building our family future, but also very much in 'gaga' love with each other. The love I feel for her is unique as it does not compare to anything I feel for anyone else in my life. And yes, I have been in love before. I know what's like. I also know I am not a man who acts emotionally. My decisions, choices and thought process are not led by the way I 'feel'. You could say accurately that I rarely wear my heart on my sleeves. I get heartaches like everyone else. After all, I'm a Toad, not a damn robot But I do not believe in love at first sight, internet love or unconditional love (except to my own children.) The love that fuels passion and drives one's mind can only be sustained long term via thought process. Period. It's what works for me. And that's the key to find happiness in our life. Find what works for you. I'm not in this forum to discuss the silly lovey dovey way we often treat each, the pet names we give to each other or the range of emotions we have to deal with by being so far apart when we want to be clutching each other and never let go. This is not a comfortable time for me right now. I know I have a wonderful woman willing to take a chance on me to build the kind of future we both envision...but she is not here and much of the process to get her here to begin this journey together is entirely out of our control or choices. So to avoid sinking deeper into the pits of negative emotions I try my best to focus on the practical aspects of life. There, Wtrav...now you know your favorite Toad also has a bleeding heart (at times..:))) toad Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2005 9:33:47 AM   I definably wont disagree or try and correct you on that statement and fact of life in this crazy world today. Are you thinking about living in Ukraine part time Nas ??? That is our plan. I am leaning away from the apartment scene (I 1st was thinking apartment) and doing research on rural Dacha lifestyle. Summer here and summer in NZ. Building labour is very cheap here, Turkish builders come up illegally and stay and build for cash. Some of the people here hire them to build and then don’t pay them at the end of the job – bit rough ah !!! Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2005 9:37:38 AM   Toad Yes it is not a good time - is it. I think this is where this Forum is of great help and may i say - distraction for brief times, at least. Anyway, i always thought Toads had cold hearts !!!!!!!! izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2005 9:40:23 AM   Nas I like what you say. It is true. I spent one and a half years on the road. Starting in England and taking in America, Canada, Mexico and Guatemala. It was the best time in my life. I was free. I have never been free since and will probably never be. It is a system of compromises. I give my time (ie freedom) for money so I can have stability and comfort. Most importantly so I can look to the future with a little bit of security. Sometimes I have a wild dream of selling everything I own, giving up Motorola and disappearing back into Latin America where I feel comfortable. It isn't going to happen. When I was on the road I saw predominantly Europeans and Australians. Not many Americans. I suspect there were strong ressons for that more to do with the slanted news in the USA about the Contras and Sandinistas than anything else. Reagans take on that by the way was total cock. I was there and I can tell you it was a big old media lie fest. I like what you wrote about culture and Europe. It does make you worldly and cultured but only if you are open to it. If you are American and visit Florence and take in Michaelangelos David at the L'Accademia and appreciate the beauty and history embodied in that piece of art then you are no different than an Italian of German doing the same thing. If you prefer to get coffee then you are a neanderthal just like my English friend. He has been my buddy for 37 years and I love him to death but his idea of high art is ABBA. Good person but not sophisticated. He is English and that is European. So this business of being European and having a cultural edge is nonsense. The same is true in America. If you are Swedish, stand in the Alamo in Texas and don't absorb the seriousness of the place you are in and touch the comnnections there . You are culturally thick. Footnote: I tried to find something in Ekaterinburg but I sucked the goodness out of that place in about 5 minutes flat. I as so many others thought that Russia was this ancient place full of wonders. It isn't. It is very much a frontier country just like America was 150 years ago. Many of these cities are realtively new. Eburg is one of them. The place is full of them. The country is so damn big that they haven't even touched exploring it. Especially Siberia. It is immense and the population is only at best 2 thirds the size of America with over double the land area. Hence all these new places. Novo whatever. I think that the only place for any real culture and history in Russia is St Petersburg or Moscow. Interesting that they are thought of as being European. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2005 9:48:00 AM   Another thing. If you look at the men in this forum. Certain patterns begin to form. I touched on this in another thread. One way or another they are not the norm. Travelling is a large part of it. Often transplanting from one country to another. QC from England to Portugal. Me from Englan also to America the hard way. Toad from Argentina. Then we have Greeks, Germans etc all who have plunged and lived adventurous lives and made it somehow. Now they look in another country to find a woman. It says something about the type of guy that should be doing this. I cannot imagine an accountant from Boise, Idaho who had never ventured beyond the state border doing this. It takes a certain mindset that I can't quite describe. Anyway just a thought. I am bored. No ladies are writing to me right now. Another one exploded last night. The NY Moscow woman. She wants to marry for a greencard and it is so transparent. I tried to help her with a friend of mine but she was only interested in me and then got angry. Whatever. She shouldn't be here anyway. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2005 10:14:15 AM   I met one woman from Russia a 5 yrs ago of years ago who lived in Santa Barbara...Dripping spine, wetback, 100% illegal. Also from Moscow. She came across 10 times more bullish and demanding than the worst attractive american feminazi you could ever imagine. But boy, was she a knockout!! I turned the tables on her. We met in Santa Barbara one gorgeous Saturday morning. Picked her up at her apartment and drove to the beach. Five minutes after we start talking she pulls out this little notebook where she had written her laundry list of material things she expected ME to give, buy or find for her to prove my interest in her. I already had her full name address and cope of her passport page becasue she had e-mailed to me before we met. So in front of her I picked up my cell phone, called information and asked to connected with the local INS Santa Barbara office. Her look of sheer terror was priceless. I never saw any woman switch so fast from bitch to submissive on her knees asking for forgiveness...(bipolar, bipolar!!!..:)) We went back to her apartment and banged away for rest of the day. I wish the same threat of deportation could be held on every other american golddigger out there out to fleece men. toad izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2005 10:19:35 AM   Roger on that buddy !! izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2005 10:22:22 AM   She kept going on about me visiting. Trying to constantly offer a sympathetic ear about Marina and asking when I was going to Moscow to see Elena. The weaseling to see if she could get me up to New York. I could have banged her I am sure but that isn't what I am trying to achieve here. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2005 1:31:10 PM   Max At this present moment, no I don't intend on living in Ukraine part time. Larissa wants to live in the states, but I never rule anything out completely. For me to do this I have to get both of my business up to a satisfactory level, but the difficulty is you can't really be an absentee business owner and be successful. The vending business has to be maintained but doesn't really require all that much, but I have just partnered with a couple of gentleman on a computer business, they have the technical skills I have the operational and sales skills, so that will take much of my time. Izi I'm in agreement with you. South America is an interesting place, and not to make things political the contra issue was scary. But I will leave that alone for another discussion. I have been to Europe, but I don't find much there that really makes me want to jump on a plane and go see it. I travelled there alot in the late 70's. Now Ireland is a different story, that is my heritage and I would love to go back to my grandfathers and greatgrandfather and grandmothers home. No they weren't from Cork, my relatives were from Londonderry and another town I can't remember the name of it. Gaelic has always given me difficulty. Toad Sometimes I shake my head at you. First of all, these ladies are looking for romantic man, so that shoots your anti emotional theory all to hell. I would almost think, as scary as it sounds you are very similar to me. As, I am very pragmatic about most of my decisions but I never disqualify the emotional side of them. That is rather sterile and almost subhuman. Feelings are not the only aspects of emotion. As for acting Gaga, and lovey dovey, hell who cares, I will always speak of Larissa in an emotional way regarding this. I can't hide it, my friends can tell the difference in my eyes, my body language and speech when I tell them of her or when I'm asked a question about her. I will agree the love I have with her is unique like yours with Lena, never and I mean never in my life has my heart and soul been so consumed with someone, and yes I have been in love before, but I have never had a partner treat me the way this little girl does, or is concerned about my well being as much a Larissa does. It is a very humbling feeling and an honor for me to have this from her. You've made a comment about a lifetime of one night stands, well I appreciate that kind of creativity, but also to love each other like there will be no tomorrow. I had pretty much given up on the opposite sex until I gave this a try. It also takes commitment on our parts and I had to reflect many times before I did this whether I was committed enough or not. Not just in the financial terms, but in the emotional ones. I drug my feet for almost a year before I decided to step into this. There is my pragmatic side. Now the emotional side was to give this little lady all the emotional, tender and affectionate love to her no matter how uncomfortable this would have made me in the past or how other men may question my manhood because I adore this woman beyond belief. The result of this, I have never had the return of love or affection from a woman like she gives me. The American woman, when you try to give them open and tender affection, their response is what is it that you want. We become conditioned to this and I think many of us have given up. My philosophy now with Larissa is yes, put together a strong a secure life for us, but on the flipside I'm going to love her like a teenager in love or whatever analogy you want to use. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2005 5:09:26 PM   Nas, with all due respect you have it wrong and totally up side down as the threads indicates:) Consumption, ie. demand for goods and services attracts investment to create supply. To create supply without demand as you suggest is bad business. The U.S. is growing because Americans are consuming fast and are consuming foreign goods with money they don't have (refer to your example about the guy who leveraged his ass). Someone has to lend the Americans money to pay for all these goods they like to buy, and yep, the Japanese, Chinese, the Germans are willing to lend the Americans because simply their own crowds are not able to consume their own production because they're insecure and they prefer to save than spend. In other words, the rest of the world is willing to overproduce and pay the Americans so the Americans can buy the overproduction they cannot absorb in their own economies. Does this sound sustainable to you? I say, we've seen the best of what the American economy can achieve. Once foreigners can get some growth somewhere else, they will demand more attractive returns for their money than the 3-4% they're getting in the U.S. now to continue to fund the U.S. deficits. That will cause the various bubbles to burst (see real estate example). The U.S. is up sooner or later for another prolonged recession most likely accompanied with inflation. See the treasury yield curve and it will tell you all you need to know about where the American economy is heading in the long term. The freedom that you describe is the same everywhere. I don't know any place in the free world where you're not allowed to buy, sell or start a business. There is nothing unique about this in America. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2005 5:19:17 PM   Mike, Yup. yup. yup...everything you say sounds very familiar, lol... But I have intentionally avoided sharing it in the forum. I would much rather discuss the practical aspects of my relationship with Lena, not the emotional side. But Wtrav's very observant earlier post called me out because doing it this way made my relationship come across as either cold or as a mere financial arrangement. It's not that way, even though sometimes I wish it was, specially when we have to deal with the anxiety of being with the one I love or not giving a damn about the many others I could be with. And the "neverending lifetime of one night stands with the one we love" is an original Dennis Miller line I heard him say years ago as a guest of the Chris Rock show. toad GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2005 5:21:06 PM   NOT being with the one I love...Sowy nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2005 10:50:43 PM   Wtrav02 Being a supply sider, I believe supply leads to demand. Not the opposite.If that was the case then there would be no need for R and D departments in major manufacturers. You create the demand with the supply. Demand for something that is non existant? Kind of sounds a bit unreal. The supply or creation of the supply leads the demand. It is very basic Economics 101. A simple analogy. If I keep a vending machine in my building it does nothing, there is no demand for this. If I put this machine in service it creates a demand by people depositing their money in it. Until I supply the consumable there is no demand for it. As for a prolonged recession the treasury yield curve has very little to do with it. First of all the Fed dictates too much in the free market and that is what causes more problems than it helps to heal. Inflation is controllable but not by adjusting the rates. As for other countries financing our deficit's that just horseshit. I sense in your diatribes you have an ax to grind with this country. And it's economic failure would give you joy and glee. Well my friend don't start celebrating too soon. When the US wises up and boots the UN out of here and quits tossing billions into the IMF then we will see who's deficts run rampant. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2005 1:30:10 AM   Better yet...let's see who is better equipped to handle a prolonged recesssion. The US or Germany? And go ahead, tell us now that one will not trigger the other one, lol wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2005 2:50:49 PM   Nasfan, I will revert from making this perfectly fine thread to a course in macroeconomics:) You have a salesman's approach, you want stock to sell. I like to have a plan to sell, then get the stock. Patriotism is a hobby just like shooting poor animals for fun. I don't give a rat's crap about America, Greece, Europe, Asia. I'm emphatically and phanatically opportunistic and all I care is myself, my family, my pocket. Does this describe anything to you? I'm an American capitalist damn it! Toad, they're both fucked up in the long run. Asia is the stallion. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2005 9:04:07 PM   Thanks WTrav I didn't a Macro lesson anyway. Being opportunistic sounds pretty vacant to me. Plus you didn't have to describe anything to me, I pretty much had that pegged already. 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