Great! The two ladies are compatible. Still leaves you out in the cold. How’s the Moldovan Chickie Bub going, nearly ready for another 3 month foreign vacation on your dime?
My American wife was 13 yrs younger. When we first started out we didn't even think about an age difference - there really wasn't one -- only on paper. It was her Mother who was more concerened about it than anyone. Yet after I met Mom, all was good. Unfortunate that things happened.
I am new at this, yet I dismissed the idea of chasing after girls 25 yrs younger from the beginning. I just heard the story of a local guy who married this 25 yr younger gal from Kiev. I talked to him this week -friend of a friend - and he told me that it was good for seven years. She got her citizenship and was through with him. It does not bother him. Because --- he says and I quote, "I'll just get a new one and enjoy her for a while..." Pretty sad in my book.
My wife is 28 years younger than me. We are pretty happy together. If I get a quality relationship the age difference does not matter.
It is more a rarity these days to have a relationship longer than 10 years. If you do great. If you dont may as well be with a hot chick that you can have some enjoyable times with.
What is sad is that people dont see that if both parties are meeting their needs from a relationship then that is a good thing.
Quote: (from Dunromin) " The next thing I knew was there was rather a, well, let’s say, not the most attractive Russian woman I have ever seen, standing, smiling (if you could call it that) down at me, saying, good, you ready, $200 please. I guess you’ve been around enough to figure it all out, but to stand up out of a cold bath doesn’t leave a guy looking or feeling the most “manly” (Like you now need a hair dryer to take a pee). "
There may be some degree of shrinkage in cold water for most men but I am doubting that most of us wouldn't need a hairdryer in order for it to pop out far enough to take a pee. No doubt her fee was higher because of her concern that due to a lack of equipment she would have to work all that much harder.
How many trips and how many years was it? So far you've had what? One last 3 months or less with you on your turf and you're now at the point of recycling. One thing you are qualified to doll out advice on is shoes. You've done more foot slogging for less result in this caper than anyone I've ever heard of. If success was to be measured in miles, I bow as you are without peer. You haven't a clue regarding holding an age gap marital relationship together or for that matter any marital relationship. Get some real runs on the board and then start dolling out your advice. Point is, you are unqualified and a danger to the new people. Whether or not you’ll ever see that is another question.
You're concerned that I might be a (Quote) "danger to new people" because I have made numerous trips. Did you forget where you were again and sart thinking you were posting to kindergarden.com? These are big boys here Dunromin. I don't think they need you as a momma to censor what they read.
I'm totally happy with the way my experience is going, INCLUDING the fact I have made many trips. I've never been scammed or stood up. I've had the greatest experiences and have nothing to complain about.
But why are YOU here Dunromin?
Psychologists would say that you are either attempting to relive the only postive experience you ever had in your life (like the highschool quarterback who never gets over his big touchdown pass) or that you are actually NOT so successful and wishing you were in another situation like a (supposedly happilly) married guy hanging out in a singles bar. Here to give us "guidance", huh Dunromin?
Tell me again how unsuccessfull and unhappy I am and how I am a "danger" to mamma hen's little chicks here in the forum.
You refer to success but how, in your book, is success scored?
Might it be to be rushing in to a marriage, to an unsuitable lady as other(s) on this forum have since had to deal with problems regarding, merely to score a point, to thereafter diminish other(s) who have made a number of trips and are still seeking a special one?
And, for information, I made some 15 trips to FSU before settling down, if bringing a lady back from a trip scores a point, in your book, then in 15 trips I scored a mere 2 points. But, were I a 'one trip wonder' picking up a lady in a single trip then I could have 15 points, I'd have been married and divorced some 15 times but who gives a sh1t about that, I'd have 15 points and that would, in your book, make me king of the castle!
Quote: “Did you forget where you were again and sart thinking you were posting to kindergarden.com?”
LOL, it would be a justifiable conclusion reading some of your posts.
Quote: “I made some 15 trips to FSU”
Nothing wrong with that IMO. It is unfortunate that some do similar but never find what they are looking for and pretend (by veracity) to have all the answers to a happy marital relationship when they have yet to experience it. Ironically, it is that pretense which prevents them from finding what they seek.
I have, by far, more 'outside of marriage' experiences and knowledge than I could ever have from within a marriage to one solitary person.
I have an American friend, some 7 years ago he met and married the first FSU lady he had met and during his first trip to FSU (Uzbekistan), when I converse with him some of my experiences and knowledge of such countries/nationals as Ukraine he simply cannot comprehend what I am talking about. One could say that he is married thus has experience and knowledge to share but he would be the first to admit that is not the case.
Via my wife and her (agency owner) best friend I was 'in' with a Ukrainian dating agency, I would meet these agency ladies, we would go out drinking together, I always knew when it was going to be 'one of those nights' when the agency owner would park the car up and we'd take a taxi, and from the course of conversations with these ladies I learnt so much regarding attitudes and mentalities than I could ever learn from being solely with my wife.
I must have dated, in all, some 10 FSU ladies before meeting my wife but let us say that I had never met my wife and having dated some 10 ladies but without 'success' is it being suggested that, as an example, my referred to 'one trip wonder' married American friend would have, your quoted, 'all of the answers' rather than I?
Nobody has all the answers Dunromin, we merely have experiences to share, and if a guy, any guy, has dated a number of FSU ladies then he has experiences to share and perhaps more experiences to share than a guy, any guy, who may be married.
Thank you for "calming it down" in the last couple of posts.
Because we're a bunch of men, it is natural that occasionally there will be "mine's bigger than yours" contests.
I know I am sometimes guilty of trying to impress or even intimidate with my "superior" knowledge. But really, I am nearly clueless.
For example, through circumstances I won't try to explain, I have had numerous very intimate (and I don't mean sexual, I mean intimate) relationships with women, in which they sometimes would say about some disclosure, "I've never told this to another person." Maybe there's not more than one man in 1000 who has had this depth of communication with so many women. But really, when comes to relationships with women, I am nearly clueless.
The only place I am an "expert" is in living alone :(
I come here to learn, and I appreciate a lot when men write their (often painful and embarrassing) stories. And I try to pass along what I have learned. Completely apart from this search for a mate, I am really curious about the Russian-speaking world and its cultures. I'm just a beginner, a "babe in the woods," but I'm eager to learn more. When I think I've figured something out, I will share it, and maybe I'll get it wrong anyway.
Who knows, maybe some of you men who post here carry pieces to my puzzle. Maybe I carry a piece to your puzzle.
Martin: The guys with 10 or 15 dating trips under their belt have experience with just that, trips and perhaps dating. If they are not or have not been married internationally, they have no experience in international marriage and as such, IMO should listen rather than speak on the subject. I have more than single digit numbers of trips under my belt also for whatever that might be worth but most recently they have been trips to one or two particular locations and therefore I am not about to tell anyone “How it will be in Kiev” for example as I haven’t been there for several years.
In the process of travelling one will (we assume) learn about the culture, people, international dating and so forth but it gives them no actual experience in an international marriage, particularly an age gap one. The gap between dating and marriage is very wide, even wider when age gap is involved. When one has experienced and maintained that for some time then IMO he or she is qualified to speak on the subject. Prior to that, IMO they should concentrate on their areas of actual experience.
BTW, I’ve never placed any stock in the WTW’s, although, ironically enough, some have managed to hold a marriage based on that together for a while as apparently your friend has and, yes, I would consider him qualified to speak on the subject of marriage.
We see the reciprocal also quite often. Mrs has had considerable contact with starry eyed girls from Russia telling her how it will be when they marry this guy they don’t even know (Seen him ½ dozen times for a couple of weeks each time) and move to his country. She tries to point out there may be a few surprises in store for them. Age old story, she doesn’t have a clue of course because she has only been there and done what they are thinking of. How many hours she has spent listening to them on the phone crying shock and surprise shortly (3-12 months) after their marriages couldn’t be counted. Some survive and some don’t. For the most part, the ones who don’t were the most “knowledgeable” prior to marriage.
You're making too much of a deal out of 'marriage', the only difference between marriage and shacking up together is a piece of paper and a ring on a finger.
You're also making too much out of this 'international' deal, as a European 'international' means very little, I recently moved home from one hemisphere to another, a move distance of 95 miles, I've lived and worked in such countries as Australia, Belgium, Luxembourg and The Netherlands, Living in Luxembourg one could do a bar crawl, meeting 'international' ladies, in 4 different countries in the same evening, Luxembourg itself was stacked out with FSU ladies to date on a frequent basis, had I not subsequently become married I'd still have all these 'international' experiences, outside of marriage, to share!
Marriage is a ring on a finger and a piece of paper and the only reason we are compelled to marry these ladies is because it's a visa requirement!
Thanks, Dunromin. One of you have a sense of humor. Is that what I am looking forward to? Again, I hope I can pull it off. Natasha has been awfully nice. I sent her a picture of the birthday party of my niece. It featured many kids of different races. She e-mailed me that she was hoping she was there with her own kid.
Martin: If marriage is not significant, why wouldn’t you get your lady in on a student visa and simply shack up with her for the 3 or 4 years it would take her to complete a university course? Around $20K per year and she turns up to a few classes for about 15 hours per week. Too simple.
I guess because the UK authorities would want to know the address of her UK accommodation, who is paying for that accommodation, proof that she can financially support herself for the 3 or 4 years and if they even got a sniff that they was a guy, me, involved in the scenario then they would refuse her visa application outright and 'black' her for future, perhaps bona fida, visa application(s).