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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > RUW sexuality Author Post wmferg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/23/2004 1:17:48 PM   Iz I have just returned from Mariupol. Yes your Ukrainian friend is right Mariupol is a factory town. There are two large foundries in town that I guess are the basis for the town’s employment. I don’t think however that between the two of them they employ more than 40000 people. The total population is around a half a million so there is a lot more going on there. I enjoyed my stay there, the people are warm and friendly and if you were to go and visit you would find her friends would readily accept you. I suspect that you would worry more over the age difference than she. Tanya is 8 yrs younger than me and she thinks it is perfect as that was the age diff between her mother and father. She knows couples with a much greater age diff than us and are very happy. I don’t know the girl and cannot speak to her motives, but don’t blow the girl off just because she paints a bleak picture of her situation. You will probably find those feelings with just about anyone you find here. You might be passing up a real diamond. Bill izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/23/2004 2:41:13 PM   Bill, I'm not blowing anyone off, please read the post again. Thanks for the input about Mariupol. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/23/2004 2:51:30 PM   TD Better read the post again. No, I am not busy buying a plane ticket. I would love to but I don't have the money to spare right now and won't have until January. I also need to save up time off from work so I can go for 3 weeks. I am not going for just 1 week. If I do this I will do it properly. Not only that but We have had a short exchange of emails. That isn't enough for me to blow $4000. If things go as nicely as they have so far then it is likely. Probably about May next year. Perhaps she is trying to escape I don't know and I am not rich enough to drop everything abd zoom off around the world on a whim. Perhaps you can but I am not that wealthy. However I will continue to form my opinion through the email, then phone and we will see where we are going. Nothing wrong with anything I have said. It is sensible and an intelligent approach. Do me a favor thunderdomehead read the post again and try to understand it this time. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/23/2004 2:55:39 PM   I find this stuff astonishing. You write the 'the house is big' and from this you deduce that I don't like big houses and I'd sooner live in a tent and what am I doing looking at big houses if I only like small ones. Incredible. Got English anyone?? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/23/2004 3:12:24 PM   "They sure look twice at men our age, lol...And you they're thinking something along the lines of "how can I get this old geezer to pay for my bills without having to have sex with him" lol - you've got it. Toad - I've always liked your way of getting to the point without wasting a lot of words. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/23/2004 3:26:23 PM   Jet I like Toads stuff too but this one is a tiny bit too sweeping. I am definitely keeping it in mind though because many a true word is spoken in jest. Also often the comedian is the wisest man in the room. Steve Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/23/2004 5:30:28 PM   I C Izi, you didn't like the "Then dig into past threads here Izi, it's all up for grabs, just find it". But here's help: Try http://forum.fiance.com/forum2.asp?Main=ShowTopic&topicid=327&page=1 and http://forum.fiance.com/forum2.asp?Main=ShowTopic&topicid=559&page=1 . Maybe http://forum.fiance.com/forum2.asp?Main=ShowTopic&topicid=609&page=1 is something to read as well, but the best is spread all over, just dig. Dyslexic thunderdomehead, not "sensible and an intelligent", only capable of cutting & pasting. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/23/2004 10:39:33 PM   TD Digging into past threads doesn't work I have tried it several times. If you search for "phone call" it will return everything that has ever used those words. Most of those threads are nothing to do with the question. It is much easier and accurate to ask an open question. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/24/2004 11:37:50 AM   Dear izifaddag, If I may add my two cents, I would say you are likely wrong to wait so long to go see her. The safe margin of time between the first letter and the first visit is 3-6 months. Beyond that, you're running many risks among which: the woman begins to doubt your true intentions, you're overtaken by competition, etc. I would advise strongly to go there sooner and stay 7-10 days. 7-10 days are more than enough to get a good read on her and how she feels about you, and assess your feelings about her. I am afraid that when you have made the decision to visit and have made all the plans and set your economics straight, it may be too late. If you have a good feeling about her, then you are likely be right, you are the best person to make this assessment, so trust your intuition and make the big step. I don't know where you live in the country, but in the winter it won't cost more than $800-1000 for air fare from wherever you live to Kiev and a domestic fare or train ticket to Mariupol (train is a far better bet in the winter as flights are often canceled). Do some research on the net on your own, it is easy to find decent, cheap apartment for $50 a day or less in a place like Mariupol and availability should be pretty good in the winter. If you have a service like fiance.com do everything for you, you will avoid the hassle but you will likely double and triple pay for many things since they will act as intermediary. Since you will be on a limited travel budget, do some work on your own and you'll be able to greatly reduce the expense. For example, no need for a local agent to wait for you at Kiev airport, there is car service to take you from the airport to the train station on the cheap. I'd be surprised if a 7-10 day trip to Mariupol total cost more than $2000-2500. Have in mind that the process of issuing K1 visa takes 6-9 months depending on the state where you live. So, you're talking about 2 years from first letter to her coming here if you decided to delay your trip to May of next year. I believe everything is a matter of priority. The question is how important is it to you. If going to Mariupol means you have to cut on your living expenses or cause major hardship, then don't do it. If you can afford a shorter trip, then by all means do it sooner than later. Send her your pictures first, make sure she is interested, tell her that you are thinking to go see her soon, see how she reacts. If you feel comfortable, then do it, it could be one of the best decisions of your life. Best of luck. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/24/2004 1:04:52 PM   Wtrav02, Thank you for your input. It is stuff like that which keeps me coming back to this forum. I need all the help I can get. $2000 to $2500 sounds much more do-able, I was judging this by an organized trip via AFA or similar. And that isn't out of the question here either. I live in South Florida so flights leave from Miami directly, maybe you change in Barcelona or something. So I think your numbers apply, going in winter though doesn't sound like a good idea for me. I am afraid I just don't function in the cold. It is a personal problem and why I left England 20 odd years ago to live in the warm. My health improved 200% overnight. I just don't perform well when I am freezing my nuts off. So winter is out. I thought spring time for a lot of reasons. Maybe this could be reined in to late March or April. The next thing is that she has only sent me 7 emails, that to me is just the beginning. We haven't spoken on the phone, I'd like to send her some flowers etc. All this is going to take a bit of time. For one thing her English is minimal at best, she is going to have to make an effort to improve immediately. How do I solve the phone problem? I have been given some input and I will make an effort to get around it but is a little tricky. I am trying to learn a few words of Rusian but so far it sucks. The question of competition is valid but somehow I have a feeling that this point is ok. She seems to really like me, after all she approached me first. I sent her plenty of pictures already, they were vacation shots of me in Italy. So I recently had some studio stuff done. Picked them up yesterday and they are ok but I'm not really happy with them. Side issue - I go to scan them into the computer to send to her and discover the cat has used my scanner as a skateboard or something and just to make sure he completed the job destroyed the USB cable as well. Little bastard. So now I have to buy a new scanner to get these over to her. Problem, I have a busted heel bone and cannot drive. I am screwed. Once again any chance of speed happening here is out of the question. Plus I am still trying to get my divorce finalized. At least she has notarized all the papers. So Trav you can see there are issues here. It isn't just jump on a plane much as I would like to. All of your advice though is registered though and thoroughly absorbed. Lastly the K1 visa. I'm confused. I thought that I could get a fiancee visa just for the asking, more or less, and then she can come for 3 months. We decide, finalize and then marry in the States. Isn't a K1 when you marry in the country of origin? I know that builds in a horrible delay. Very last thing. I was hoping that if all goes well 1st emails, then phone calls, then visit that I would organize a romantic vacation for the 2 of us in Rome or Paris or something minus child. A chance for the 2 of us to get to know one another a little better without the distractions of our 2 countries. There are plenty of opportunities for cock ups to happen with this but maybe she isn't the right one and will hate me on sight I don't know. You know what they say about fish and oceans. This is definitely not a rush, rush thing. Super appreciative of you input thank you. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/24/2004 2:34:14 PM   Izi, read your post and shuddered. You really should take time do scratch around in past posts. Don't expect the machine to do that for you, open up & read. Others likely will warn you too - don't go to a romantic 3rd location first, you visit her at her home, and in this case that includes her child. Face it pal, he/she is going to become part of your life if all goes well. But not only that, by suggesting to her what you wrote above she will inevitably get the impression that you already avoid that child, and this irrespective of whatever argument you may carry forward. Children there are the pride of the entire family, similar however unlike what you/me are used to. But that's not the point really - you want to meet her on her own turf, her town, her work/friends/social environment/climate/anything, simply because, in only a limited time available, you want to be able to sum her up as complete as possible. Surely she's honest, but you don't know that, so you go & check what she wrote to you. And brace yourself if every guy in town greets her way too friendly, or if her appartment is shared with exclusively dodgy characters - you're with me? In Egypt you will not know that, and she will be able to keep pretending she's an advocate whilts in fact she is... fill in anything. You go there, to her, nowhere else. In doing so you also are likely to meet her family, if not on your first visit then on the next. Save romantic holidays for your honeymoon, because only then you both may let your guard down. The atmosphere of such holiday contributes nothing to the serious matters at hand, but do to frivolous behaviour which indeed are fun - but what are you busy with then? Depends on what you want, there's plenty of rich gits who have their holidays this way. Suit yourself, but they're not serious in finding somebody long-term, and some of them are married even. Once you have been to her at least once she could come to you - on a K1. That's when your problems start, you're US, and ask your fellow countrymen. Wtrav is, and I think he did same, but suddenly you are looking at both cost and time. Crash and Glad here did similar things however are UK-based (bleddie pommies :) so for them different rules applied/apply. The basics however are the same - you go first, to her, at least once but probably more often - same like dating the girl next door, you didn't marry her once you went to the drive-in with her. Yeah, and that all costs money, and plenty of it as well, make no mistake. You've indicated you don't have too much of that, so you better start doing some arithmetic & planning beforehand. Nothing more frustrating then being forced to stop, this whilst everything is going well, because of a shortage of funds. Others here have indicated such problems, let them come forward. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/24/2004 3:10:01 PM   Dear izifaddag, You're right about K1, my confusion, I meant K3 or fiance visa. Regardless it takes a long time to get and it's a lot of paperwork with many things that can go wrong. Safest thing is to hire an experienced attorney at least to prepare the documents to INS. The second part which is the embassy interview is easier and you can get by without an attorney. Understand all your points and concur. I fully agree with all Thunderdome said about the first trip to the place where she lives rather than an exotic holiday. You're on a mission going there. Sending her flowers sounds an excellent idea. Becoming friends with the kid is key. You won't win her heart before she is convinced that you're the right stepfather for her child. Best of luck. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/24/2004 5:15:13 PM   Wtrav, dunno if you've read it: http://forum.fiance.com/forum2.asp?Main=ShowTopic&topicid=1034 You seem changed, in a good way and no offence meant. Dunno what this guy wants but no harm in finding out I suppose. Ever heard of the Greek one? wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/24/2004 5:47:45 PM   Thunderdome, I read the thread. I find a mix of arrogance and stupidity in this gentleman's request. Seeking for a gold mine in an online dating site. If a Greek-American wedding pulled some $200 million in the box office, a similar Russian-American sitcom should pull 10 times that, I mean by population difference alone the argument should hold. No further comments on this thread. Take care. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/24/2004 7:12:55 PM   TD, I just read this again and it is a bit garbled. You oviously didn't understand what I wrote so I will try again. This is the post: "Very last thing. I was hoping that if all goes well 1st emails, then phone calls, then visit that I would organize a romantic vacation for the 2 of us in Rome or Paris or something minus child" This is what I was trying to say: 1st emails 2nd Phone calls 3rd Visit to her in her country, meet family etc. 4th POSSIBLY a trip to Rome or somewhere minus distractions. It was a little confusing what I wrote. I will not search through previous posts it is a waste of time. I have already tried it several times and it doesn't work. It will pull whatever words you enter from anywhere in a string. I don't have the rest of my life to weed through a gazillion strings to only find there is nothing there pertaining to what I want to know so please drop this will you. It doesn't work. If I need to know something I will ask it. wmferg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/24/2004 8:53:11 PM   Steve, About your photos you wish to send to your lady. You haven't mentioned if she is with an agency or not. If she is she is probably with the same agency that my lady is with. If so then you should know that they do not have a color printer in the office. She can only go in and look at them on the computer at the office if you e-mail them. It takes about 8 days from California to Mariupol air mail and cost about $4.50 for regular post. You might consider this if the photos are something you would like her to have at home. Bill wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/24/2004 10:10:50 PM   Dear izifadag, I read one more time my previous note and to avoid any confusion I want to clarify that the comments I made ("arrogance and stupidity", etc.) where related to the other thread and the person who intiated it asking for content to turn Russian Woman/American Man relationships to a sitcom. Unfortunately, the way I wrote the note unless you read Thuderdome's preceding note, you can make conclusions that the comments were directed to you, which by no account was the case or my intention. Just to set the record straight. Take care. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/24/2004 10:33:17 PM   wmferg Good thinking. I was thinking something similar. So on Saturday I sent her an email asking that exact question. I believe that there are some other complications that arise from choice of agency also, and of course I want to avoid her spending money on my worthless account. Hopefully she will write soon and I will have her address. Then I will send the photos and something nice for her, her daughter and her mother. wtrav02 Its ok I understood thet you were talking about the twit trying to make a movie. I fully understood you were not refering to me. It's ok. They already did that movie thing. It starred David Arquette. I'd like to see it. Thanks for your concern. wmferg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/24/2004 10:58:48 PM   Steve Its not a bad agency. They do not charge the ladies for translation and if the girl cannot make into the agency when she has a lettter waiting they will read it over the phone and take her answer that way. That explained something that was bothering me until I went there to see how things worked. Sometimes I would write a fairly long letter with a number of qestions and would recieve just a couple of paragraphs back with only a couple of questions answered. That would be the time the letter was read to Tanya over the phone and she would answer all that she remember. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/24/2004 11:56:09 PM   wmferg I am sure Fiancee is a good agency however some of the others I don't know about. After all Fiancee is just a central location for all the small regional agencies. I want to know what her exact situation is. I don't want to incur any costs for her. Just trying to be a gentleman. (I can hear my ex wife saying "about time" :)!! Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > RUW sexuality
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