If a woman in an agency is getting a little bit of money paid to her for every letter she gets from men sending her letters, that is wrong period. She is (supposed) to be in the agency to find a relationship with a foreign man NOT to make some extra money. The corruption and deceit that goes on in Ukraine just astounds me sometimes.
I have corresponded with a few women at Dream Marriage, just want to make a point about webcam chat, some girls will use the computer at the agency and translate and type their response while you can see them on the camera some do it from their home also. I had a girl tell me that she would be on the webcam that evening and that she was looking forward to me seeing her online and having a good chat. When i got online and saw her it was plain as day that she was having an interpreter type her responses and even more plain that she was not telling the interpreter what to respond to what i was typing myself. Basicly she was sat there looking at the screen pretty motionless having zero input into the conversation. A few days later i had a go at her about it and she said it was her agencies policy that an interpreter types all the conversation. Personaly i would be scheptical about it as video chat can be expensive and a charade. Yes it is a good way of confirming the girls identity but it will never prove her intentions. She has a profile at many other agencies and tells me that her agency has its own policies like the girl has to be online x amount of time a month and she has to answer letters of men she is not interested in. The long and the short of it is that the main agency has its rules like natasha club and then the girls own agencies the satelite agencies has their rules and thats where it all goes wrong.
Stay away from Natashaclub !!!
From the six woman who wanted to see me, only one showed up. She took my money and I never heard of her since.
I have hired a private investigator and it turned out that that some of them never wrote to me.
I have learned a lot about the Natashaclub (1st International) system, by the way it works it encourages scams. I dont know why the authorities didnt close this site already, but they should. I am writing a book on my experiences with Natashaclub and my search for a bride in the Ukraine, but in the mean time I wanted to warn you already.
This adventure with Natashaclub has cost me over 6000 USD and it was all wasted.
So take my advice and stay away from Natashaclub.
I admid, I was weak. She told me that she lost her job, had no money to buy her brother a present for his birthday and so on... she looked at me with her begging eyes and I was sold.
She played me very well. Stupid and sad at the same time, I know.
Hello all , I admit than Natacha and all derivated are more scammer than the rest, but because there is a but, maybe I get lucky, I'm in Nikolayev since a while and I encounter a girl for this site in real. She is like described and not a scammer, so this exist I think.
But you rigth, I had more or less 100 contact and this is the only one serious, all the rest was, "ohh dear waiting for your NEXT letter..." and so one. I buy from the site their personnal contact - again 50 USD - and then I correspond directely with their private e-mail and phone and then meeting in real with MY interpreterthen all was ok.
Be carefull on top-model photo semi-nude studio... all fake!
To be in Nikolaeyv one think is true, girls are really prity and man just think to drink and football !
Hello all , I admit than Natacha and all derivated are more scammer than the rest, but because there is a but, maybe I get lucky, I'm in Nikolayev since a while and I encounter a girl for this site in real. She is like described and not a scammer, so this exist I think.
But you rigth, I had more or less 100 contact and this is the only one serious, all the rest was, "ohh dear waiting for your NEXT letter..." and so one. I buy from the site their personnal contact - again 50 USD - and then I correspond directely with their private e-mail and phone and then meeting in real with MY interpreterthen all was ok.
Be carefull on top-model photo semi-nude studio... all fake!
To be in Nikolaeyv one think is true, girls are really prity and man just think to drink and football !
Greetings, I am on NatashaClub right now, and wanted to THANK YOU for all the amazing discussions. I thought I was ALONE in thinking this was all a bit of a scam. - I wanted to give you this input... Since there was some doubts abotu it:
My letters are read by someone who works there, and large sections of the messages are REMOVED from the message! I can SEE my message as SHE sees it... and I can well understand she is CONFUSED. (or perhaps the replies are stating she is confused, to get me to reveal more of the devious ways I am letting her know about me. I have used a lot of tricks. I have a few nicknames on websites, and it is easy to find me that way, so I dropped hints to her, but they keep deleting things like "google" or "myspace" from all messages.
One time a message from me only said "m" as the WHOLE message from me!! WTF! This got me QUITE angry! - I never read ANYWHERE on their site that our PRIVATE messages would be monitored / edited and sections deleted. One thing is to protect people's privacy, another thing is to alter messages so they cannot be understood anymore! ... but that's what they have been doing, and EDIT them, before she got them. I do see the messages as SHE sees them. Thathelped me deduce this was happening.
She... and, yes, despite getting about 30 (probably pregenenrated) letters a DAY, I am only interested in ONE girl over there (in Odessa, Ukraine... and no one else matters. Yes, I am THAT kind of guy! I know what I like, and stick with that! haha)... but BEHIND her picture, she may be one of their office workers? or a GUY (IMAGINE! I'm writing to a GUY! *ugh*) or a married woman, or just doing it for the money? One cannot know.
Now I am a BIT luckier than many others. I KNOW people in Odessa, Ukraine! So I siggested, in my last message (that she has NOT yet answered, and I may need to create anothger account to know what she thinks about my idea) that I publish an advert with her picture, in case one of her friends, or SHE sees it, and gets in touch with honest people I know over there. That's one way of getting around this crap. - The thing that bothers me is that she does not seem to understand that all I can see in her 3rd letter is one LINE. So she should try and put in it, something that tells me the whole of her thoughts. - It really is rediculous having to do this, but they have deleted so much from my messages that it makes little sense what I write. :-/
I hope they have fun with the last message... it is over 13000 characters long! haha... The fun we have!
I registered with Natasha Club just few days ago. I got tons of messages. Most of them are ridiculous, but I have to admit that there are some genuine users. Do you want to waste your time in filtering it? It is entirely up to you.
I received loads of message saying that âI think you are the right on after I read your profile and see your photoâ or âI attracted to you by you smileâ etc.. I really want to reply them, how could they be attracted to me after seeing my photo. âHey pretty dumb, my face on my profile photo is blurred!!!â
Also, I left few hint on my message. i.e. âPlease accept my apology, my real name is ABCDE. Please understand it is too easy to search a people over internet i.e. facebookâ and âI recently set up my own company named XXXXX.comâ. Some of my message had been edited or deleted something but not all of them. I till havenât got any direct contact. Again, I donât like pretty dumb girls.
Good luck guys!!! I still believe that there are some genuine ladies.
As I mentioned, I left some tricks in my messages which sent to the ladies. They deleted the ticks i.e. facebook from my message. But some of my message not even had been edited. Then I looked the ladies profile again. The photos of the ladies, for those message I sent which the tricks had been edited or deleted, was not professional took and obviously the girls put more clothing on (not that sexy). And the tricks had never been touched, the profile of the girls are too good to be true.
Total bollocks, i know a girl on there and she openly admitted to me that she never replys it is a stitch up between her and her interpreter. For example a new guy joins reads two letters money comes in to her, agency and her interpreter the guy is none the wiser because he aint got a clue that it is not her replying. It is a tried and tested formula after about 5 or 6 letters the guy is either hooked or realises he is wasting his time, but none the less these girls target new guys and they get em in bullshit them for a while and then spit em out. As long as there is a constant stream of new guys then the girls agencies and interpreters make money. Thats my cynical view on it. But yes very rarely will there be a genuine correspondance on there. Total bolocks in my opinion, one good one to every 20 crap ones and that is bolocks to me.
Hey there, again... I did the same as user "edziu"... I dropped a LOT of hints of how to find me... but I found out, the LONGER the letter I sent, the MORE of my hidden tricks got through to her! ... BUT ... After I suggested that, with her approval, I could ask my motorcycle buddies in Ukraine to post a PICTURE of her in their local newspaper... She totally STOPPED writing to me! - This after she was VERY positive about meeting me and even joining me, at some point. I DID include the name of my online book shop, which they left alone!!! ;-D So I know she has that now... ? Anyway... They seem to be on to me, though... because I just got a letter from the head honcho stating that they did NOT advise users contacting the girls outside of their message system... which they say: "is in place to ensure each person's privacy"... I thought the aim of a dating site was to promote people getting in touch and settling down! - Apparently not. They do all they can to make sure no one can get in touch with each, wihtout paying THEM. ... and that's where the whole scam is.
The girl SHOULD now have more than enough to find me.. She knows my real name (they let that through), my business name, where to find my music videos and 2 of my MySpace nicknames. - Let's just hope she find me, and disproves the theories. ;-D
I am expecting the following though: "Hello, Stone, my name is Boris and I work for the dating site you were writing to a girl at. It was actually ME who you were writing to. The girl exists, somewhere, I think she is a photomodel, and my boss purchased her pictures, along with 10,000 other girls from a photomodel agency. We don't know the girls, but they exist! - Now, to my point. I REALLY liked what you were saying in your letters, and am prepared to make some sacrifice for you? I want you to know that I don't do this easily, but I would be prepared to reconsider my hetero-sexual attitude, to one of bi-curious. If this interests you? Please know that I am only stating this because you were SO convincing in your messages, and I wouldn't want to break the heart of one so sensitive as you. Love, Boris."
It just dawned on me. Why would a site name themself after a woman's name? Natasha club... ???
Unless every girl on this site is named Natasha, it has to be a scam. Why not Olga club? There are thousands of Olgas. Because Olga to some issues thoughts of big and brutely woman? Or are they just thinking of Natasha and Boris Baddenuff? Remember? From Rocky and Bullwinkle fame? She was hot for a cartoon character - rivals Betty Boop!
Hookers from the eastern bloc countries working in Europe are referred to as Natashas.
Whether or not the owner of the Natasha club is aware of this is a whole new debate.
As for leaving hidden messages in emails what a croc.
The person you are writing to in not interested in any form of communication outside the agency
That explains so much. One of my Kiev dates was called Natasha, and I kept calling her by her name (always good to emphasise that I KNOW her name) and she stopped me once and asked me to call her Natalia instead. She said Natasha was her name given on the site, but her name was Natalia. Pity, because I prefer Natasha.
One of my Sumy dates was Natalia, and so was the agency translator, but they kept calling each other Natasha. The only thing that bothers me about all this is that this seems to be one of the lesser nonsensical things about FSU women :S
Natasha is the familiar name for Natalia. My wife is Natalia but she does not like Natasha as whenever she wwould do something wrong he mother would go Naaaa-tash-aaa. She prefers Nata. Of course if she pisses me off I revert to Naaaa-tash-aaa.
These people are funny. My gf is in Italy. She has not been able to get to a computer with cyrillic. If she needs to e-mail me, she relays it by phone to somebody in Ukraine who e-mails me on her behalf. Yet, Natasha Club has her profile with a different name logging in now and then.