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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Observations from Ukraine Author Post brilliant_name Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/30/2007 4:51:19 PM   Well, hi all, I have just finished with my lady from the Ukraine after a ten month relationship. After six months I took her to Turkey for a fabulous holiday. I really was hopeful about this one and there were no obvious red flags, but something just was not right. It is difficult to put into words, but there was always something niggling at me, and with the language difficulties it was always going to be difficult. She really did not show enough commitment and this is something that I feel was very important. Was she cold and calculating by getting a holiday from me? Dunno? I sent her a little money now and then but as the months went on her interest started to diminish and in the end I was struggling. I fooled myself and deserve much criticism and hope that no sane man go through what I have done. It is incredible what idiots us men can be in the presence of foreign beauty. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/30/2007 6:18:44 PM   yorkie she sounds like a married women, games. as you personally i wouldn't care for her involvement in this trip anymore, that's just disrespectful at its fullest. nodobyknows, my dear i have always tried to see the positives of everything, but then came Internet dating:) what is real and what isn't. no way in hell could i leave a person on there own who has ever come to me from a far without showing reasonable cause, and i mean reasonable cause. unless that person repulses you: to have it dune to me, my heart would never except or believe in that person again. there are bigger things in this world then work, family meetings or what ever. it all went wrong only because he stopped believing in you. but you know this. that to me is one of the biggest measurements of a persons sincerity for a beginning. it also was "the" moment for you, your choice if this would work or not. you chose to put him out in the cold!! sorry to put it bluntly:) and life goes on, and you have learnt something about men:))) don't you disappear we enjoy your posts here very much. its nice to fly to someone with reasonable communication already dealt with. your deal yorkie. brilliant, bugger! why would you deserve criticism. never seen turkey, what a nice why to see it. this way is not clean cut dating so don't beat yourself up about it. Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/30/2007 9:06:05 PM   Nobody knows Thank you very much for answering the questions I ask you. As you have probably noticed everyone is eager to get an opinion from someone who is objective and knows the culture such as you do. Unfortunately I do not have any jobs in Istanbul in my back pocket. You appear to have very good people qualities (you answer adversity very calmly and are careful to discuss issues rather than pointing animosity toward people). I have not been to Istanbul and know almost nothing about it but if there are many English/Russian couples there on vacation it appears that a person with your qualifications would be a very good asset to a tour company in an Interpreter/Public Relations position. All I can do is pray that you find the job that is right for you. I will do that. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/30/2007 9:41:16 PM   Yorkie...don't cancell the trip. I hope you took my words of wisdom and have several girls in line. What city are you talking about? Maybe it has a sister city( close by). What I have done is tell multiple women I will be there ( or close by)from the XX to XX. Try to set up something or get a contact number( normally interpreter) and when there set up meetings or confirm ones you have. I am not too keen on multiple meeting of girls in one city, unless it is only for 1-2 dates. Smaller the city the more difficult. Try to see your #1 girl first. Sometimes I fly into Kiev and decide once there where I will go( only for the hardened with lots of contacts), since I can fly to many places from there. nobodyknows Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 2:59:58 AM   Yeah,Kiwinorth, u r right. He stopped believing in me. Whoever I were, however honest I were, a good person I were, “it s impossible to make the time go back” (his words):) I wish I could turn back the time… how ever bad I would feel now, live is going on:) and that incident taught me a good lesson:) Land of oz, I gave up the idea of working in Istanbul. It s a crazy one. I cant and shouldn’t change my life because of a fat chance and hope for that we will be together. I thought I would be commenting on yr experience instead of complaining of what a poor creature I am:)))))) anyway, thanks everybody for yr help and comments Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 5:51:37 AM   Yorkie, By friendship I am affiliated with a dating agency in Ukraine and I get to meet and talk with a lot of the ladies. Generally they lke talking to me because I am honest and open and tell them 'how it is' and I also hear what their beliefs and feelings are. Generally they believe that if a guy is travelling to FSU then he is going to date multiple ladies, it's a case of the guy being guilty until proven innocent, thus if this lady you are going to see is not going to put effort into the situation then she must understand that if she can't be bothered with you then what is good for the goose is good or the gander thus you may feel 'released' to see other ladies. Do some research of where you are travelling to, try to write to other ladies in that location, see if you can establish a western style watering hole in that location where you can go by yourself and perhaps meet other ladies. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 9:22:36 AM   Yorkie, with your attitude, you will do just fine! I might just cancell the hotel and look elsewhere. I'm also not one who believes from the start that you have to meet in her home city at the beginning. I think meeting in a neutral, however neutral her home country is, is good for the start. Then if she is not willing to take you to her home city to meet friends and family you know where you stand from the start. I met my wife in Kiev and we spent 6 days there then traveled down to Mariupol afterwards. Her idea was she wanted to show me her culture and get to know each other without the pressures of her hometown and see how we did together without the possibility of being under the microscope. I have found that Ukrainianians share in gossip as much as any other culture, she says they do it more. Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 9:26:45 AM   Well nobodyknows each piece of our life shapes us for the future. Some seems bad and some seems good. But until life is finished we see only part of the picture. We will have to believe that there is something better coming in your life than the man your friend married. But sometimes we would like to see around the corner to the future. And this forum should be like a family supporting each other. Your questions are every bit as important as ours are. Your posts are very interesting thank you Britman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 11:01:05 AM   I took a train from Kiev to kherson....I thought I was with the 3rd reich on my way to a concentration camp.....:-) I did get a cup of tea though.....and it was mid winter and snowing like hell.... but eventually got to Kherson and all was well...about 14 hours later on a what was it 400km journey..or something like that:-) beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 6:24:49 PM   Britman...why not just shell out a couple hundred bucks and arrive there in about 3 hours. Were you just saving some money or trying to get the experience of what ukrainians do. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 11:47:59 PM   when i was there one came down beemer and one just before i arrived, both were the bigger inter flights from turkey i think. lady asked me about flying around there, i said no they drop out of sky to much here, she gave me shit over it, aren't they cheeky. an hour later 275 had perished 200-300 miles from us. we did not say a word just looked at each other. i'll stay will the cuppa tea's Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 1:06:31 AM   How you going to get from Kiev to Kherson in 3 hours unless by chartering your own aircraft? beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 2:12:12 AM   Kiwi......this morning a few minutes before me there was a car accident, a family was killed when their car overturned. Can you imagine if I said I am not driving here anymore...I may be next. I will now drive to work on my bicycle!!!!! Does that make sense to you???? What if train collided with another train, you know how things are run in Ukraine. What I am trying to say is, life goes on, stop for a minute and just pray that it is not your time!!! First time in Russia, a russian antov(??) plane crashed in Ukraine, 2 weeks before I arrived, took me awhile but I convinced myself it will not happen to me. I have flown many times with aerosvit, no problems, they even flew in during a snowstorm in February. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 4:07:11 AM   sorry beemer didn't mean for you to take it that seriously, one just about crashed on my house that also doesn't mean anything but its a good excuse for a cuppa tea. the country dose have serious plane problems by our standards. never have heard anything of there trains. they also have a stupid why of scheduling flights based on the capital. it works for them but i found it a real pain in the ass for me when jumping city's. it works out a bit more then few hundy just to go to next city bouncing off the capital continuously. but i will say you are a keen man with the snowstorm. all good tho. Britman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 6:33:52 AM   Send: 10.10.2007 14:58:33 Mr beemer18, that kind of message just about sumns you up- you are not serious you just use the women.. . jerk. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 10:26:10 AM   Name calling is for kids, Britman. Some people are insecure about things and they resort to primative outbursts, I think it is funny, myself. You are very entertaining Britman!!!! I hope you feel better now!!! Grown ups give and take criticism. You can state any opinion you want. I only care about my own. So what is the next name you will call me???? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 1:24:56 PM   With regards to Ukrainian air operators gradually things are changing. OK the international airlines of UIA, Aerosvit & UM Air have got Boeings and/or McDonnel Douglas's whilst almost all domestic services are operated by 'Soviet' aircraft. However even the UA regional airlines are getting western aircraft now, Dniproavia (Dnepropetrovsk) have at least 2 B737's, Donbassaero (Donetsk) have at least 1 A320 and even last time I flew into Zaporozhye by local airline Motor Sich it was an Antonov 140, an all singing and dancing modern aircraft. Whilst I have flown domestically there on YAK-42, AN140 and TU-134 most of my flying has been done on the geriatric AN-24. Now I work in aviation and it was only when talking with a pilot that I learnt that 'allegedly' the AN-24 does not perform on one engine, i.e. if it loses a donk then there's only one direction you're heading and that's down! But the same can be said for the Airbus A300, I worked for one of the first A300 operators and twice, it happened, after take-off it lost an engine, well 350 people on one engine proved unhealthy and it proved, both times, to be a dirty dive into the nearest available airfield. Basically you're more likely to be brought down by terrorism than technical failure and what terrorist in his right mind would want to waste explosive on an AN-24? beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/11/2007 9:43:32 PM   Back at home for a couple weeks, took time to catch up with my life at home!!! While in Odessa, met up with some friends I met through a hole-in-wall food place( like fast food). Excellant food, loved the 'burrito' with chicken. Even got discounts...price was 13hrv. I ended up spending last couple days with this group, around 10-15 guys that know each other. Most coming to Ukraine for school, several married to ukrainian girls, real beauties. They told me the girls like 'darkies', they told me I was 'colored' bcause of my olive skin. I told them that term was used at one time in US for black people. They many questions about life in US, from wages to starting businesses to cost of living to girls. I met a couple girls that worked there and was having fun teasing each other about being in love with them and bringing them to US with me. Again, if I knew better russian, I would have gotton further. I did not know how to ask if they have boyfriends and my 'frinds' would not ask for me!! :)) They said if I want the girls I have to do all the work!!! It is a different feeling talking to girls that are not in marriage sites. They seem more open and friendly, of course I was not a stranger, I knew most guys there. Another thing...this place was right where the buses stop, so it was constant girls, waiting for bus or getting off bus ..all day and night. I was great when they had to use bathroom inside.....I heard every pick-up line in russian you can think of...and the girls loved every minute of it...embarrassed but with smiles on their faces!!! I ended up cancelling my second meeting with a girl, just didn't feel like there was something. The place is on Alekandrovsky near Bunina( can see Afena Mall from there). My friend that was juggleing two girls met with a small problem, while in Mall was seen by the 'other' girl and she asked...who is she? he quickly moved away and when his girl asked him who she was, he explained...I don't know her, she must have thought I was someone else. I laughed and told him he was lucky 'other'girl didn't tell girl he was with, in russian, that she was seeing him...could have been disaster. While on my flight back home, I met a girl in Kiev flying to Paris. I was curious how she got a visa to go there. I had over heard her speaking english, so that was my 'in', I struck up a conversation while waiting for flight and we just hit it off okay, she was very friendly( not only to me). She told me she was not going to stay in Paris, that she was flying to meet a friend on some island off Madagascar. First thing I thought of was guy or girl...more likely guy. I thought wow, she is flying alone so far, she told me she and her family were scared the first time she went there( second time). I told her to e-mail me her experiences and I will do the same about LA. Exchanded addresses and I wished her a pleasant trip and a great time. Who knows what will happen but it seemed to me girls are more sincere when you get away from this marriage agency/marriage site stuff. Just a thought I had. To wrap this trip up....didn't go as planned, lots of improvisation, still made the best of situation and finally did meet a girl I will see again, hopefully. One thing that always happens on my trips, it does eliminate girls I thought would be right for me. Seeing is believing and meeting the most important!!! Good Luck to all!! Deano Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/21/2007 2:38:10 AM   Well, earlier in this thread I mentioned my plans to meet one girl in Kiev for a short five day holiday. I just got back a few days ago and thought I would let you know how it went. My girl and I communicated a lot by emails and phone calls prior to our meeting in Kiev. Her name is Oksana and she is 20 and she is what we call here in the state very hot. As it got closer to our meeting November 14th troubling hints began to spring up. She told me she needs special lens for her eyes and they do not have them in her city of Dnipropetrovsk so we must buy them in Kiev. Then a few days before the meeting date she drops a big hint that she plans on buying her winter clothes there in Kiev to. I arrive in Kiev before her. Get settled in the apartment. Take the metro to the train station to pick her up. She gets off the train and I notice she has not bag. I ask here where her bag is and she says "what for?" "We will buy everything for winter here." She showed up with a toothbrush and that's it. Not even shower stuff or anything. Lol. Right away I knew what was coming so I went into my sex tourist mode. Depending on how good she was to me would equate how much shopping she would get out of me. If she treated me bad I would boot her back on the train the next day. I've done it before! Lol. So, it was the battle of the sex tourist versus the scammer. It ended up in a draw. Lol. She got a thousand dollar shopping spree out of me and I got great sex from a hot 20 year old model for 5 nights. I went home happy and so did she. But alas no future for us so I'm already in the process of blowing her off and cutting communications. She is trying hard to continue to dip into me thinking I will send money for her eye surgery she said she needs. Needless to say she wont be getting anything sent to her. xtc11 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/21/2007 10:01:18 AM   Deano there are money grabbing sluts inanycountry and Russia and ukraine has its fair share of them as your post illustrates. Dont know what planet the other chap went to but from my own experiences in Russia the ladies there definetely do not like the "darkies"- only the realy desperate on the shelf white women go for these "darkies" .Russia is not politically correct downtown usa. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Observations from Ukraine
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