I do so wish more people were like you. I think there'd be far more substance to the forum, and a little less wading through the mindless dross to find it!"
One would be a deep importance placed on hospitality. In some of the poorest countries, hospitality to a guest is considered a very serious obligation.
Another could be embarrassment. From TV and movies, they may picture Australians etc. always living in beautiful modern houses, and imagining such a person staying in a typical shabby Russian flat could be mortifying to them.
When I spent a few nights at the village home of friend's grandma in Ukraine, this elderly lady gave me her own room, and slept in the little anteroom where guests take off their shoes when entering the house.
I would go with what the family wants, unless you are staying for a long time.
I have 2 similar instances in my past, and I completely concur with Durak's take on the situation.
Once in Kiev, I stayed with a friend of a Ukrainian family I know here in the UK. It wasn't until I got there that I realised it was only a one bedroom flat, and the owners were both going to sleep on the sofabed in the living room (which pretty much every flat in Ukraine seems to have!?) so I could have the bedroom. This was the way it was going to be, and there was no point in me arguing!
Another time in Mariupol, I stayed with one of the finest families I've ever met. I had no idea I would be staying with them. I'd actually booked an apartment before I got there, but before I'd left Kiev, my contact at the church INSISTED that I stay with the family who they'd arranged to host me. I had to make some quick phonecalls to cancel the one I'd booked.
Anyway, it was a family of four: two young parents, a 12 year old girl and 4 year old boy. When I arrived, it had been a long day, and I was knackered. They showed me a bed and I collapsed into it. It wasn't until a while after getting there I realised I was in the parent's room, and they were sharing with the kids. Four in one room, me in the other!
In both cases, my hosts did everything to look after me, took pride in doing it, and I knew they wouldn't accept (or would even be offended by) any money from me, so I talked them into letting me take them to a restaurant. For the Mariupol family especially, this was a once-in-a-lifetime treat. Even this took a lot of selling on my part, though. I told them I'd brought cash to spend on an apartment (true), I hadn't spent it because they'd looked after me (true), and I couldn't change it back into Sterling (true - in the UK, at least), so I HAD to spend it, and I wanted to spend it saying thanks to them. They were reluctant, but they agreed. I did everything I could to 'pay them back' without actually giving them any money.
To this day, they're among my best friends in Ukraine. My dream is to get the cash together and bring them over here, so I can host them in return.
Another could be embarrassment. From TV and movies, they may picture Australians etc. always living in beautiful modern houses, and imagining such a person staying in a typical shabby Russian flat could be mortifying to them.
I've wondered what the typical FSU woman pictures life like in the west. I read once that they get much of their perceptions from American TV. Shows like Dallas, Sex in the City, etc. If that's true, I think most of us are in trouble as I doubt we can provide that lifestyle. (And I really hate those broads from Sex in the City-the morals, the focus on fashion, etc.)
Perhaps, every man who has been scammed ... the scammers are women who, I suppose, believe that streets of the western world are paved with gold, and are eager to grab their share.
On the other side, I (and other men here) have met (or even married) FSU women who were mature and well-balanced. These women tend to be very thrifty, and understand that material wealth is only a distant cousin to a happiness and health. The "real women" would prefer to live very modestly with a good husband, than to live in a flash house and drive a Mercedes with a man who treats her like dirt (if she is young and pretty enough, the second option isn't so very hard to find).
As a practical matter, when a man is "getting serious" with a woman who doesn't know his country, it is probably wise for him to give her plenty of information about what she could expect in terms of housing, income, expenses, and job prospects. If she is a Mama, she will also want to know about the quality and costs of education. Of course, most FSU people who haven't been to America (for example) don't know very much about these things.
My friend Ralph on this forum down-played his financial status in the early days of his relationship (he posted about this, back in the day), preferring that his girl start with simple expectations, and be pleasantly surprised when reality turned out to be more prosperous.
well, well, more snow again...
here is an example of thrifty/what is of value. my wife is still displeased with the fact that I spent over a grand on diamond earrings and pendant for Christmas - she has no real jewelry to speak of. She told me under no uncertain terms to never, ever waste money again on such foolishness!!! Diamonds are a waste of money!!! :)))))))))))))))))))) so I splurged on a miele vacuum for her birthday. actually it is not a birthday gift, we needed one. She also needed the diamonds but she doesn't realize it yet. Vacuuming the house with my shop vac is another story - she didn't like the old kenmore upright. I found out a week ago she was using it for everything. Didn't know that the filter had a cap to secure it. And didn't know it had to be cleaned and emptied often. So now as soon as weather changes a contractor must come in and clean out all the HVAC ducts. I forget she is still on a learning curve about many things.
Yesterday we had a conversation about citizenship. I started out with, "If an airplane fell out the sky and landed on my head... this is what you have to do to apply for citizenship." Her response was, "Why would I do that? If you die like that I will go back to Russia." etc. etc. She said without me there is no reason to stay in the USA.
To danny: do not fight with them. accept their hospitality graciously. they will be more pleased with that than your demanding to have it your way. think of their feelings. they may not have the material things to impress so they do so in other ways. treating a guest to their very best no matter what it is will give them satisfaction. I suggest you just go along with it. your gift to them will be to accept the offer. and you must also consider how your attitude may affect their opinion of you. it is a completely different culture, roll with it.
another thing. I told my gf to not beleive anything you see about america on television. it is all fantasy and does not even come close to real america. she understood this from the start. one of her first observations was, 'there are many poor people in america too.'
soon she will come to realize that she is now supporting them with her tax dollars... almost half of people living in america do not pay taxes. and 80% of those are in two different social benefit programs. her's a great one. a friend's daughter worked part time over the year. she paid around $1000 in federal income tax. SHE GOT A TAX REFUND OF ALMOST $3000 !!!!!!!!! he was as incredulous as I was. how can that be????? america, love it or leave it I guess. I can't wait to see what happens for my next tax filing...
Gee and all this time Dannys story about walking into the Salon and meeting Irina after hiring some russian mob guys to get his money back after being ripped off by some Russian girl wasn't a true story after all. He found Irina wandering the streets of Thailand.
Man your stories get better and better all the time Dungsing.
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So much for not being able to get Lithium in Russia, it is very common place there.
And Danny's hit's just keep on a rollin'
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