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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > "Why do so many men look to the Ukraine for women " Author Post gladiatorUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2004 7:01:11 PM   Good attitude wess, and it's good to hear that the negative stories don't faze you too much.....yes there are lots of them and it can be off-putting to those who have yet to travel.However the success stories while not as prolific are here,it just takes a bloody long time to find em amongst the old threads. I first took the plunge travelling to the FSU (Ukraine,Belarus,Russia,and Ukraine again)about 5 years ago and I had some negative experiences too,but being the type of person I am I kept the positive attitude and went back for more!!!! Needless to say success did come for me......earlier this year my lady came here to the UK from Ukraine and we got married in May. Early days yet my friend but I can tell you in all honesty that I am happier than I have ever been Stay positive....stick to your principles......IT DOES PAY!......:)) jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2004 8:27:19 PM   wessman, listen pal, when shit goes wrong i am going to let it be known. these arent third hand stories. when it is good i will let it be known also. negative and narrow minded and lazy? far from it.i pack the suitcase and pursue and try to live out my dreams. i think your idea of reality is typing letters and fantasizing i have been in to it for almost 1 year now like it is a full time job with two long visits over there. i uncover things and it upsets you. other people write their actual negative experiences and you dont want to hear it. i tell it exactly how it happened from what has happened to me and i have a direct pipeline of information about the fsu from the fsu but you obviuously know more about those countries than the people who live there. i dont write unless i know it happened for sure. and most people i feel have a right to know when it does. i have written several times that socials i have chosen are not cocktails parties but you keep insisting that they are. you are enamored with you own ablity to sugar coat everything that might smells like shit right under your nose. i call it exactly as i see it. you have a hard time beleiving it. tim h post was good for him but he knows the perils wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2004 9:07:15 PM   Thanks Gladiator, I am having some trouble getting my passport! Working on that still! wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2004 9:13:33 PM   "negative and narrow minded and lazy"? you left out the part about having a need to be right. You're right I don't want to hear it, I was just laying low reading some posts and minding my own business till you called me out hey wessman, where are you now when the whole world needs you now. arent you going to write a big long bleeding heart symphony about how it is all in our minds that no one can see what you can see? LOL HEY TIM H i totally respect you because you are one of the very few men who owns a pair of balls and can state exactly what is in front of his own eyeballs. i have said this the whole time . some just hate to admit it. low cut tops, cleavage, letters they never wrote how much they want to meet a nice clever man who wants to build a serious family? give me the puke bucket. every goddam ukrainian in one way or another had to lie or make a simple dollar off of me. every goddam ukrainian in one way or another had to lie or make a simple dollar off of me. Jmoluv exactly how many Ukrainian's are you talking about with your whole lifetime of travel experience maybe three Ukrainian's. I don't need it uner my nose to know you are full of it, you whine more than my grand daughter, quit bashing whole nations and all women from certain countries because you like to invite drama into your life. If you don't change things nothing changes. Make some good stories in the future you can share with us. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2004 9:24:33 PM   wessman, when you go out and try to make things happen cicumstances can arise . when you sit behind your keypad and dream you never get burnt. how come you didnt blast tim h when he opened this post? it is good to know you have the ability to copy paragraphs already written . you have a great skill. i would bet if a man came up and grabbed your womens ass you would put your tail between your legs after thanking him and run. gut feeling. jmoluv wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2004 9:48:51 PM   This thread started in April not last week, Tim has added plenty of positive stuff here as well, just like you, you seem to be a very angry man and that is apparent when you write your responses. Like as in this last one, about calling me a coward. I copied that paragragh to illustrate my point your negativity creates more negativity. I have just been sitting here reading and not responding till you wrote that negative response and it caused another negative response. Sometimes it is not what you say but how you say it, Those GD! Ukrainians! that is very offensive to me. Even if 90 percent were scammers there is ten percent that are not Ukrainian scammers do you think there are Ukrainians reading these posts. If these eastern woman piss you off so much try a Church in your neighborhood. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2004 11:18:56 PM   wessman, i called you out because you were so quick to supress my experiences but yet when tim h had good info in his opening statement straight from the horses mouth you say nothing. i find that hard to beleive. you have it in your mind there is your way and your way only. i have been on both sides of the fence. e-mailing which is only a small tool of the process and getting your lazy ass over there is another. i dont have enough time to write of all my experiences . so i only write what is important to me and so others may learn. i have made two good friends over there who i speak to almost daily and i had to let several go . i dont tell you everything cause i dont need to . good factual reports are not negativity . it is good information that most of these guys need because they are blinded by these pretty women. there are good stories that i have and sometimes i just keep them in my own mind. i have told some positive things since you know me so well but you did not hear them. you want to compare me to your grandaughter? when push comes to shove you dont take it very well. ukrainians dont have much. they know all about survival and whatever it takes .this is a way of life. even if it means not telling the truth and scamming. this is bread into most of them because of their environment . the sooner you realize this the better you will be able to see past your nose. not all of them but a good portion. just like tim h said. wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2004 11:54:25 PM   This thread started in April not last week, Tim has added plenty of positive stuff here as well, just like you, Positive stuff just like you jmoluv, I have not written a word about anything here in over a week and this topic wes started last April and check the record I did not reply once to this topic till you called me out to write one of my bleeding heart symphonys. So I did. So like I have been saying you are very angry, why are you taking it out on me? There are plenty of Ukrainian's here in my world and they are not liars, cheats, thieves, or scammers, actually they seem to be hard workers, and devoted to their families so I think you are generalizing again at their exspense and GD Ukrainians is far beyond my line of tolerence. Most likely you just say these things out of anger but bashing others is not sport for me. If you have a need to discuss this futher e-mail me! jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2004 2:10:05 AM   wessman, i am not going to continue . i know what i have learned jmoluv jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2004 2:37:10 AM   wessman no malice dude , it is time to move on. jmoluv idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2004 5:17:31 AM   Wess. Here is some simple logic. Why was this forum created? Because it is brutal out there and we need to learn some lessons before we go. If all we had to do was write to some girl, complete the formatity of meeting and live happily ever after, there would be no need to talk about any of these topic because life is sweet and good and rosy and all that. I am not trying to discourage you, not at all, but you seem to think you have found the answer to which we all here a seaching for. jmoluv has has some experiences, he has shared them. Thats good. You insist socials are just a meat market, he is telling you from experience that that is not true. He has been to one, you have not but you insist he is wrong. Why? It is a wise teacher who always remain a student wess. And as far as tim goes, yes I like him too but why do you all grovel at his feet. Somehow his experiences are worth hearing but no one elses are. Tim has writen plenty of negitive stuff I totaly disagree with, this thead being one of them, but as jmolus said, you have not said nothing to him,as he seems to be god to some. What makes his experiences more valid than anyone elses. I have had some bad experiences and you would know if you read though the forum. I did not pick one up last trip because I am wise to there ways and I am not just after a girl to bring home, I am after one to keep. If that takes more than one trip, so be it. I wish I did not settle so easily last time, I would ahve saves myself a lot of problems and now I would probably have a good one, instead I am looking again because I never had the priverlige of visiting such a place like this before my first trip. wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2004 12:18:13 PM   My final answer. I joined here two months ago Tim was hibernating or what ever, I do not know Tim, Tim came back and everybody seemed glad we was back, I still do not know Tim and I have not responded to him because like I have said three times this topic was first posted in April it is an old post, I only responded when Jmoluv goaded me into a response to his post. I have a plan that I am working it consists of trying what has been proven to work, I have been doing a lot of research on this topic from many different sources the process I share here are the things that I personally believe work as far as finding a wife, again let me clarify this a WIFE, that means My real intent is to marry a woman from the FSU, now do socials work perhaps for some but if this was the only way to meet and marry a women from the FSU I will pass because I do not like socials. I want to know about my bride before I meet her. I can not pick the right woman from a line up of angels and I know this that is why I am divorced and most of the women in my life have been short term relationships. So if you can meet a woman and in two hours know she is the right one for you and you want to explore marriage with her great. I do not want to do socials ok. I think socials are for socializing and some of the women here are wishing for a decent man ready to settle down the operative word being settle we need to settle for one, so my thoughts are about marriage. I keep writing the same thing because a few of you try to convince the many to get up off there lazy ass and travel to Russia or the FSU and go sight seeing and do a social and perhaps get lucky finding a wife or a new girl of the year or what---ever. Again I am looking for a Wife. If you want to go to socials and meet women great man, go and enjoy and best of luck to you, I have been to many socials here in the states that is why in my other threads I say travel to a distant city and go to a social with 237 single woman and when you get home a few days later tell me what you have got? What do you have Id, after your visits and your socials. Well if your goal is marriage how much closer are you to that goal now than you were last year. Now this is where you have to be honest with yourself because it means little to me. I want to find a wife here not keep getting sucked into the negativity of rambling generalizations of the few! Now about Tim, I do not know why some of you guys are so envious of Tim, he must have a lot of good input here and his words must have credence for some many to miss him, why else would you other guys be so jealous of him. Perhaps it is the way Tim says things perhaps he is not confronting and speaks without the anger some display here. Perhaps he is tactful, I certainly do not know as he was Mia most of my life here. gladiatorUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2004 3:09:21 PM   jmoluv: "ukrainians dont have much. they know all about survival and whatever it takes .this is a way of life. even if it means not telling the truth and scamming. this is bread into most of them because of their environment . the sooner you realize this the better you will be able to see past your nose. not all of them but a good portion. just like tim h said." That statement must rank as the biggest crock of shit I have ever read in my life!!!! Just what do you base a sweeping opinion like that on??.......A bad expereince in Kiev??...c'mon man get real....things like that happen in every city the world. Did you visit wearing blinkers or what???.To come out with something like that just shows how LITTLE you know about Ukraine and it's inhabitants.I speak from experience,having been there on many occasions,I would suggest a less gullible attitude next time you go,and a lot more research too. Or maybe you think that New York or London is safer??? Next time put the brain in gear before engaging the mouth. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2004 3:26:22 PM   You know today on ICQ I communicated with a man from Moscow, and first he was nice, but when found out that I live in Ukraine, he said bad things about my country and me, and he said "all prostitutes here are Ukrainians"...of course I added him to ignor list, but if a man who lives rather close to Ukraine says such things, I can understand that people from other countries may have such opinions...but it doesn't mean that I say "it's good", no it's not good...after all I don't say such things about your country jmoluv...so have at least some respect!!! idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2004 3:48:44 PM   Wess- I wonder myself why people are this way to tim. Where was I last year? Married to A Russian girl. I went to meet a girl in the manner you are doing now. It did not work. I meet others. I meet one and went home and continued correpondence. In her letters, and face to face, she lied about her desires, she lied abut her past life and lied about her feelings. It is easy to do and she was very convincing. All the letters in the world will not make up for face to face meeting Wess. And you always seem to say to me, where are you now? You are correct, I am nowhere, but on my last trip I met some nice girls, but nothing felt 100% so it is better to move on than to claim victory with something that you know to not be true for the long term. idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2004 3:52:06 PM   Ptichka- many Russian think they are better than Ukrainians, and better than every one. People from Mosco think they are better than every one else Iin Russia. Don't listen to them and do not worry about there rubbish. Every girl I meet in Ukraine was loverly, but sadly not for me but still I found them honest and good girls. I had sex without money so I would say no prositutes where I was, it was all free ;o) Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2004 4:02:31 PM   ID, I know about the attitude Russians have to us, and how people from Moscow think about russians from other cities:)You know I live near the border with Russia:) And many cases were shown on TV so I know that:) idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/26/2004 4:43:35 AM   I know you know. I was just reasuring you pet that we all understand your pain LOL hoenissen Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/27/2004 7:51:03 AM   " I had sex without money so I would say no prositutes where I was, it was all free ;o) " In my supermarket they often hand out samples. For free. To make us go and pick up the new 'lines of merchandise' from the shelf. Not that it has anything to do at all with your statement of course! (PS Condoms should be used in all conceivable situations.) wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/27/2004 9:28:50 AM   And if you should find yourself in some inconceivable situation a condom is still in order! Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > "Why do so many men look to the Ukraine for women "
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