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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > ukrainian women Author Post TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 4:52:52 AM   Water is wet The sky is blue Women have secrets Toad is weird !! Situation normal :o) Dax Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 9:33:58 AM   Ensata, Just like everything else in life, I was speaking of the great majority of women I have been around. As you know, women, their way of thinking, and their maturity levels change radically depending on what city or state you live in. I happen to live in the Los Angeles metropolitan area, and I just happen to spend most of my time in one of the major universities here in California; therefore, my opinion applies largely to the women that I am surrounded by through work or school...I apologize if I offended you with my comment. And yes, my friends (most of them females ages 22-25) do know how I feel about their maturity level, and they couldn’t care less. And to tell you the truth, there are a couple of my friends who are quite mature for their age, and both of them have kids which I think may, in some way, be correlated to their maturity level. I actually wouldn’t mind dating either one of them, but since I do not date friends, co-workers, classmates, students or patients...I am doomed! Honestly it really S*cks! By the way, I am not playing games Ensata, Toad was the one who got a little bit excited, not me; there is no need for insults among intelligent people, is there? Politics? I just made a comment and it went down the hill from there. But let me talk about some important points. Lets face it, Bush is our president because we live in a republic and not in a democracy...Otherwise Gore would be the man in power. And before this gets out of hand, let me say that I believe Bush won the election legitimately according to our established laws. However, last time I looked at the polls, Bush is still favored by only about 43% of Americans; thus, there are actually a lot more “guys like me” than you think. To add to that, I would like to say that my disrespect to Bush is not based on my political ideology but more on my personal assessment of our president. I believed that senior Bush (even though I never agreed with his policies) is a very intelligent man, a good politician, and a man with a strong character (he had balls). However, as far as baby Bush is concerned, I think he is of mediocre intelligence, of mild character, malleable, and just a puppet for other people, mainly the vice president. If he was just a regular citizen, I would have no problem with him; but he is our president! I do not take offense in your comments, but I find it interesting that you mentioned Stalin, Lenin and Marx in the same sentence since Marx wasn’t a murderer; he was just a utopian who believed, like many throughout history have, that he had the recipe for a better world. But that’s not me, I am a realist, and that is the reason why I live in a capitalist country. Many of my view are in fact very socialist, but socialism is quite different than communism which I assume is exactly what you were implying I was by mentioning Stalin et. al. Simply stated, I am just like millions of Western Europeans and Canadians who adhere to a more pro-social ideology. You said “Dear Dax, please take your politics and religion to another forum” Well Ensata, I have no religion. I am a real Atheist who would never put in doubt your beliefs; thus I would never say “I am right and you are wrong” simply because I have a perfect understanding of the word belief. And sorry, I do not own a bible; I find it to be an extremely subjective book. And before you blast me about this comment, I would like to suggest you read a pair of books from a couple of writers who spent their lives studying the bible and are considered by most to be “good Christians (Soren kierkegaard and Dietrich Bonhoeffer). After decades studying the bible, both agreed about the subjectivity and complexity of the book. One last point, and sorry to those of you who couldn’t care less about what I am writing and only want to talk about the important issues; GIRLS! I do not actually see myself as a “self righteous therapist” or a “Pharisee” but I am actually not concern about the consequences, if I was to be one, since I do not believe in hell. The only thing I can tell you is that I do more good helping people in need (either psychological or social) in one week than most “good Christians will do in their entire lives.” Am I self righteous for saying that? Perhaps, but that is the reality of my work and I have nothing to apologize for. Anyway ...I am out....I promise I will shut up taking about politics and religion. But if anybody wants to keep on letting me know how wrong I am, you have my e-mail address so feel free to e-mail me and express your opinion...Just keep it civil and understand that I will never change my views, and I know I will never change yours. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 9:43:16 AM   I will not start talking here about politics, religion, everybody has he's or her's own point of view, and I'm in no right to correct it. I just wanted to speak about women being mature...it just depends on what you think being mature is. I know many girls who enter the University and finish it just to find a good husband, give birth to many children, and that's the main goal of their lives, are their mature...in some way they are, in the way as it's the traditional way of women's behaviour...but are they mature for the today's world??? Don't think so. They forget about their personalities, which should be not forgotten but developed. They may have the only goal to get married and have children, but the goal of developing becomes one of the basic today, don't you think so??? One of my mom's teachers, when she got married said "I highly respect you, but you have killed yourself with that marriage, you should have go on developing, and only then getting married"...another point of view...correct or mature??? It depends on what you like most of all:) And the last opinion, I see many of my friends, which are as old as me, or a couple of years older, not married, without children (many women and relatives think they are crazy), but they are mature to my mind, as they develop themselves, OK they don't have children yet, but that doesn't mean that they will not have children in future:))) So these are my thoughts:) ensata Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 10:06:00 AM   Dak , Kierkegaard and Bonhoeffer are two of my favorite reads. My point regarding Toad and self rigtheousness pertained to your wanting to keep it friendly, yet in the same breathe insulting him. To choose to be Atheist is a religious act. (read Bonhoeffer, and CS Lewis while at it. Also one of my favorite reads). Regarding opinions of Bush, I am 180 degrees from you, so be it. You may help a lot of people, but I will not compare Urine Streams with you. Dax, you may indeed change my opinions. I have convictions based on a well reasoned life view. But I am not static, or unreasonable. Finaly, welcome to the Forum. Good Luck! scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 11:00:07 AM   Ptichka, You certainly have a right to express your point of view. Further, if someone elses views on rights violates your views of rights, you also have a right to defend those views. Forcing your views on another is not. Regarding going to college to find a husband, I think that is seen world wide. In the U.S., it's generally viewed as pursuing an MRS. I can't speak for all, but your insights and views have certainly been valuable to me. So let me be the first to vote that you don't censor yourself in respect to expressing what you believe to the rest of us. Dax Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 11:30:04 AM   Thank you Ensata, I actually forgot to mention that you and I are probably quite similar en some ways since I assume by what you mentioned before, that you work with your church doing some good work. So, more power to you, and to me, in regardless of our opposite views we both can help in our own way to improve, even if it is temporarily, the life of a human being. Now I need a girl to improve mine! Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 11:44:09 AM   Ensata!!! I'm sorry if it sounded to you like I want others think the way I do...but I didn't want that, I just shared what my view on maturity of women is...I understand that the information about girls here may be more valuable to you then all my views...but I also wish to express them like an ordinary alive person:))) OK if you don't like that I won't do that again...but that sounds weird to me a little bit. Dax Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 11:46:06 AM   Ptichka, I respect your opinion. A good rule of thumb to know if you are talking to mature person (from my male perspective) is: If you are talking to a girl who you know to be 23, and you as an intelligent 30 or 40 year old guy cannot stand her conversation because everything revolves around alcohol, casual sex, or about the last stupid thing one of her friends or worse yet, something way out there that she did the night before then...Run, she is probably quite immature but just at her normal developmental stage. But, if you are talking to a young woman also 23, enjoying her conversation, and if you cannot believe how incredible she is, and how she engages you in her conversation, then you are probably talking to a very mature 23 year old. I actually experience both situations constantly everyday of the week. But then again, it is just my opinion. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 11:50:08 AM   Yes you're right of course, and I assume that the level of being mature doesn't depend on either going to the University or not. But I expressed 3 opinions which I met on my way, and which one seamed the most mature to me, and this way I follow personally. It's not that I hope that many people will follow me, no I don't need it. As long as my boyfriend and me enjoy this way of life, we will do it :) But just expressed what I thought about the question:) Man Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 11:51:46 AM   , but since I do not date friends, co-workers, classmates, students or patients...I am doomed! Honestly it really S*cks ...................................................................... ....Dax, I would think that list should make up the bulk of your dating pool. But I would also add Waitresses.......I have to admit that you do have a disadvantage living where you do, with all the "starletts" in your neibourhood. I once lived right next to UCLA in Westwood, so I know what you're talking about. Dax Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 1:30:37 PM   Man It is hell, isn’t it? I am willing to put some money that right now OJ would have a better chance getting a date there than I would. He is still a “star” after all. Even if I wanted to date one of the people I mentioned (which has crossed my mind several times); I really can’t do it. Students (you never know if they will sit on your class the next quarter, and you’d always ask yourself “did she go out with me because she wanted an A in the class?) Patients (clients to be politically correct) well, that’s illegal and could actually ruin my life besides being highly unethical. Classmates and co-workers...I did it in the past, and it just didn’t work out. But you are right...there are a lot of waitresses...But then again, most of them are students. I feel like Adam (no offense indented to those who are religious) I see a lot of nice, red, and juicy apples; but I cannot touch them. But that’s okay; eventually “the one” will come. tradman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 1:50:50 PM   Your opinions are well received Ptichka, please continue to contribute Man Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 2:53:27 PM   Yeah Dax, I know you would have to give up your client in order to date her. The thing about waitresses is that if you think about it, they are such an easy mark, I mean they are a captive audience aren't they? That's why I don't hit on them any more. What does that leave, friends?. Can you really be friends with a woman? Hey I know, .....you could try to find a nice girl in church!! You might have to keep a lid on the athiest thing though.LOL tradman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 2:55:39 PM   there sure is a lot of heated debate about today, Hi man, how are you? Man Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 3:08:22 PM   Hi trad, I'm just trying to keep up with the debate here. A bit of a riot! Dax Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 3:26:12 PM   LoL very funny man. I tried the church trick in my younger years, but now I just couldn’t put up with the torture of the service. The client thing is even more complicated, you have to wait for a total of two years, and even then, lets say you marry a girl that you really love, you met her in therapy and you waited the two years....Even then, if you ever divorce her, and she is angry enough, she may file a complaint against you with the board (laying about the lapse of time); in which case you will not go to jail, but the board would probably suspend your license to practice. Way too many years of school to waste for any woman. Waitresses are good though...and I probably shouldn’t say this, but “dancers’ are a very easy mark too. I don’t know where you guys live, but over here when you ask a dancer her daytime profession.....they all go to university during the day, and all of them are business majors...so they say. My friends and I find it very funny. Yes, Man, I actually think women can make great friends, especially if they are not good looking. I am not trying to offend anybody (I have done it too many times today) but when your good friend is really good looking and in her 20s, there is always that sexual tension or temptation...hard to avoid. And if you make the mistake and sleep with her, it is almost a guarantee that the friendship will end a lot sooner than later. tradman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 4:06:36 PM   yes man, one of the more interesting evenings(afternoon for you) on here Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 6:49:17 PM   Dax, here I come to protect the greatest thing, a real friendship between a man and a woman. Luckily for me, girls who ever sees this don't be offended, I grew up with boys, I did all sorts of things boys did...and we were friends, as growing together (about 15 boys and 2 girls in one compary), my other friend tried to have relations with some of the boys, just to have fun, what ruined our good company. But as for me, though I'm rather pretty, and boys in my company were good-looking, we never had anything, each of us just respected the feeling of friendship too much!!! We talked over girls, they asked me to help to understand what girls are, and I asked advice on boys and so on...but this friendship was, and unfortunately ended very sadly, with the majority of boys getting married and their wives just didn't understand our friendship...and I feel very sorry about it!! Since that time I have met and I'm still friends with a couple of men, and I adore this friendship a lot!!! With 1 we meet about once a year, but when we meet, it's always hugging and kissing on the cheeks, and there is such a row of emotions and talks...it's really great to have such a friend!! I'm not sorry that I don't have the closest friend - a girl I mean, I have my friends and I know that they are loyal, and they are whom I can rely on:)))) Man Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2004 8:45:02 PM   Yes Ptichka, that is exactly why I no longer try to keep a friendship with a woman. Sooner or later it will become a problem. I will not keep a friendship with a former lover either. For the same reasons. It does not mean that I do not like them. It is just the way it must be. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/6/2004 4:36:01 AM   Why should it become a problem??? It should be the problem of those who don't understand and ruins the whole thing. I have the warmest memories about my friends in past, and I have the warmest connections with my friends now. But neight I nor they did ever think about being more then friends, we all just feel goo as friends and don't need more:) Russian brides > Main Forum > ukrainian women
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