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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Down But Not Out Author Post izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2005 5:18:36 PM   UB You are also right about western courting methods. They do not work. They need a different approach and it is not easy changing the habits of a lifetime. unclebuck Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2005 10:39:10 PM   Izi, A lifetime of eating crap and being told it is steak gives us poor devils bad judgement from the start. The sad thing is they suffer just like us only in differnt ways. It takes some getting used to in that they realy want us to stand up and take charge but respectfully. Women in the US have controled and dictated the datting thing and their values are based on things, thats why when times get rough they normaly get gone. FSU women exspect leadership and loyalty in thier "Beloved", but they give thier hearts forever. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2005 8:16:11 AM   UB Unbelievably everything is solved. I can't believe it. Everything is solved and I will return to Russia in the summer. What a relief. I really didn't want anybody else. Marina has a very good reason for some of the stuff that has happened. She is a lawyer and is in the middle of a vicious corporate war. She didn't tell me about this until today. It is quite incredible that we have managed to solve all this. I really didn't believe it was possible but it was. Thanks to you and everyone else who offered support. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2005 1:19:16 PM   Izi, I offer my congratulations and best wishes with more than a large dose of skepticism...prove me wrong, mate. I'll gladly celebrate being wrong on this one! toad unclebuck Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2005 2:01:52 PM   Izi, A strong hand on the tiller and a carefull eye! Watch out for the rocks and you'l do fine. Your embarking on the greatest adventure of you life! Good luck! UB Dale E Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2005 2:08:07 PM   Don't worry Toad, if the trend continues, he and Marina will be history tomorrow! :o) izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2005 3:14:14 PM   Dale, With optimism like that I can't fail! Seriously there is definitely hope and I am willing to go and try again. Signed Man with small brain and big heart. N()R Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2005 9:42:51 PM   A difficult way to start a relationship izi.. Starting something new by solving problems is not the ideal situation I think. Any way, I am very happy for you, and your positive thinking is to your advantage. I wish you and Marina the best, and hope it will last, and make you happy. Because that is really a question you have to ask yourself. "Will this woman make me happy for real?". We live only once, and we all deserve to feel happy! We all deserve to think back when we are very old, and make the conclusion "Yes, I was happy, I had a good life!". Good Luck izi! My fingers are crossed for you! Neonred Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2005 10:35:26 PM   Izi I've been following your story and let me tell you that I've "been there, done that" with my Russian girl. It almost ended for us because of her behavior and pouting and such. I wrote about it in some posts last year. When I returned from my visit I was unsure about our future together, but after a little while and several phone calls things seemed much better. I returned to visit and our time together was very good, but there were still a few difficult times together. Mostly I blame it on miscomunication related to language and cultural differences. I did let her know when I thought there was a problem with her behavior and asked her to stop, and it seemed to help. I have visited her several times, and as we get to know and understand each other our time together, and on the phone while apart, is much better. Do not give up on your relationship too easily. It very well may work out as you get to understand each other better. Still it is not a bad idea to have other contacts and a backup plan! Good luck izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2005 10:58:57 PM   Neon and NOR, Thanks for the input. Things are definitely improving. Miscommunication was a big factor but also Marina's panic because of past experiences. She is calming down now. She is still a pushy little bugger but more like a child will test a parent. Most of the big questions have been dealt with. We are both a lot more comfortable with everything now. Even the gross fridge Toad! She admited that to be a failing. It's a start. Right now she is in a big, big problem at work. Anybody see that Bruce Willis movie Last Man Standing? She is in that exact situation. She has been for a month. Right about the time I visited. She said nothing to me!! Meanwhile she was in serious shit. While I was there no less. Obviously she is under a great deal of pressure and she only decided to tell me today at 12.30am still in the office! She hadn't eaten all day. Like I say much has improved and I am going back in July. Time wll tell. Meanwhile I do have a backup plan and I am going to retain my contact with at least one other lady that I like. This one has a chldlike quality that is absolutely charming. As opposed to Marina's worldliness. Marina is a lawyer as she frequently points out to me and it adds to her cynicism. Incidentally the prenup was greated with a hearty "of course". She wants to start working on it. After all it is good for both sides. I am going to take first crack at it then we will pass it back and forth and finally pass it under the nose of a professional. I have always been worried about bringing that subject up and it was no problem at all. I feel much better. Upwards and onwards. :)) GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2005 2:34:45 AM   You NEVER talk about it as a PRENUP. It's a 'marital agreement'. It puts in writing all the things you agree to do before you get married. it is flexible because it can and probably will change along the way. But drop the 'prenup' stigma. toad ItsaDragon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2005 7:41:01 AM   Izi, It seems to me that your main issues were that her house was a mess and you didn't care for her kid. How did you resolve those issues? Dragon N()R Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2005 11:13:19 AM   Forget about the mess and the Kid.. Tell us more about the sex... HAHAHA LOL izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2005 12:40:00 PM   NOR I know you are kidding :)) Be careful or you will set Felicedate off again on another rant. Dragon The house thing was due to the work situation and my presence. The child is another issue and due to shyness and a need for time. I don't think I have been fair about this. I will return in July and we will see how it goes. Toad Sure you do it is just a word. Doesn't seem to be a problem. Prenup or mariage contract, whatever, it is all the same thing. No stigma. I was surprised and I don't think it will be tough to figure out. Things seem to be improving every day. Today was no exception. This work thing was a good example. She should have told me in the first place though. ItsaDragon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2005 1:22:02 PM   "I don't think I have been fair about this"...good attitude, I'm sure things will be better. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2005 1:55:38 PM   Wrong, Izi... You may be exempt from the stigma of the word 'prenup' because Marina is a lawyer and understands they all mean the same. But in every woman dedicated site the word 'prenup' is vilified as something a man will use to turn a loving eastern wife into a kitchen slave, the likes Bagira usually accuses us of trying to buy from FSU. A 'marital agreement or contract' immediately denotes the participation of at least two people in agreement to create it. Not something that gets unilaterally shoved down someone else's throat by either of the fiances. I've always used 'prenup' when talking in the forum for the sake of broad description and typing savings. But I've never used in conversation or correspondence with any FSU woman. And never will. toad izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2005 3:40:16 PM   Wrong Toad This is the first I have heard of this. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2005 5:41:21 PM   wrong wrong wrong, lol... Again, you're in an exceptional situation, Izi. You simply do not have to worry about how you talk to Marina about it. She actually knows a shitload more about it than you do, which sort of worries me a bit. All others be very careful how you present this topic to your ladies if you plan to use one. There is no need to cause misunderstadings, anxiety or sore feelings to your lady. Unless you are butthole and are comfortable telling: "Here's the prenup, woman... sign or I'll ship your ass back home" Keep in mind this document exists to protect both of you, not just your material posessions. toad toad unclebuck Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2005 7:37:01 PM   Toad, You did not bother to tell us that Prenups are not worth the paper thier written on in most states. Female libralizm has nulled the paper work. The best thing is assets that were clear ownership is before the relationship. Not much protection here anymore! GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2005 11:19:07 PM   Uncle, that applies to those who do it themselves, plenty of morons trying to save a buck by writing up online prenups with no legal advice pertinent to their particular state laws. Otherwise, they do work. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Down But Not Out
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