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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Salary in Ukraine? Author Post Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/15/2010 5:51:59 PM   Dan, I dont think it is realistic to compare the cost of living in Melbourne or Sydney with the cost of living in village in out back Russia. I think it necessary to try and compare like for like. What would it cost to live in Sydney and then what it would cost to have the same standard of living in in a similar city like St Pete. From what I could see most things were Western prices. I many times wandered around the supermarket in Volgagrad and the only thing they were selling cheap was vodka. Property in St Pete would be similar per sq meter as in Sydney. Mortgage interest rates are more like double that of Australia. Its said that Moscow is the most expensive city in the world and sure, there are plenty of flash cars driving around. But the thing is the average worker in Moscow and St Pete still only earns $1000 - $1500 a month. Nowhere near enough to buy even the cheapest studio apartment. Its possible for people to survive in these cities but its a bit like the peasants in China that come in from the country and think they are well off working in factories for $2 a day. Looking for women in small towns and villages may be a good idea, but I have met plenty of women from the the bigger cities of Moscow, St Pete. Vladivostok etc and they are great women. Most of the women used their work computer to make initial contact, so thats probably why the focus ended up in the bigger cities. The strange thing is, that the big cities are not the scam capitals of internet dating. The scam capitals are the small towns of Ukraine, go figure? Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/15/2010 6:08:35 PM   PS Dan most of the items you listed could be bought in NZ for a similar price. Is the cost of a taxis really RUB 120/km? I only paid them about Rub 20/km. Poor buggers, I really shouldnt be so hard on them. Ill give them more money next time. devilmaycare Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/16/2010 3:26:28 AM   Although high street prices for shops restraunts etc etc in russian UA are broadly comprable to the west, its the lack of various taxes and cheapness of energy, transport, and other basic services that make it so much cheaper to live even in a major city (except downtown moscow and maybe kiev ...). For example the cost of subsistence in a decent apartment, walkable to the center, in odessa is about $1000/month, everything over that is your "fun" fund. Driftwood Arts Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/16/2010 11:27:53 AM   sure some useless ones are just like the useless bludgers in my country . they should just walk arond and shoot them anyway wow ! they must have bad aim orr your bullit proof . ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/16/2010 12:47:24 PM   FSU has not mastered mass production or bulk selling. I can buy 36 cans of beer from Walmart for $25 USD total. I don't exactly remember how much beer in Kiev was, but I remember my gf and I talking about it and it is a bigger can, but comparably it is about twice the cost. Appliances are also not up to date. I have a lightweight iron. Sometimes, I am in a hurry and it falls on the floor. No problem. I dropped Alla's (the singer from my first visit) iron one time and it broke. It cost me $40USD for a new one. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/28/2010 11:19:19 PM   I used to do payroll for 150 employees. Whenever the computer system was down, a power outage or a fire drill happens, I joke with the employees that their paychecks will be delayed. I told this to the lady I was corresponding to at the time, a teacher from Zaporozhye. She was furious with me. She said these people depend on that check for food, clothing, rent..... Apparently, if the business does not have money, it is common for the employees to not be paid until it does. Of course, in the US, if that happens, the business will have to shut down. In this lady's case, she doesn't get paid until the students pay their tuition. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/29/2010 3:42:35 PM   As I look at my post above, I remembered something else. There was one time when there was a record amount of students, and thus, more tuition money. The school divided the extra among the faculty. italian guy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/8/2010 4:46:50 PM   A steel worker in Mariupol earns between 2,500 to 3,500 local currency. About 250 to 350 euros monthly. The girls I met have someone help. Parents either in Ukraine or more often in Europe. Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/9/2010 1:45:26 AM   OK... what is the point (your question)? rayborn Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/24/2010 5:14:18 PM   I'm planning to visit Odessa Ukraine next month and wanted to ask what can one expect to spend per day (mostly food, taxis, gifts to bring back home)? Thanks in advance. RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/24/2010 9:20:02 PM   If your girl is watching out for you, travel in Odessa is cheap. The buses are only pocket change and taxis are much less expensive than in the west. If you fly from London to Odessa the round trip on Ukrainian Airlines is abour 190 GBP from Gatwick. Food in the cafes` is reasonable and gifts , you are on your own. If you want to see the city as the locals do, then it will be inexpensive. Check the internet for apartments and hotels and then then ask your girl if she has any recommendations. Be truthful with her and you will know if she is with you right off. The reason being, the internet listed apartments are priced higher than what a local should be able to find. I have found that 15 minute cab trips were only about 30 hyrvna ($4 US) Uncle Bingo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/23/2011 5:39:07 PM   It's always fun to flip thru pages on different blogs and read what people write. My surprise is to read posts from Alexander here. To Alex I say, "Privet moy droog! Kagdela Sasha? See you again soon and we'll go to Pharaon or Egoist! Or perhaps one of the many clubs, discos or other fun places you have shown to me in your city." Alex is the real deal guys. Read what this guy tells you and take his words with great care. He is a native of Lugansk and has saved me a lot of headaches. I will say that Sasha is NOT an agency or match maker, so don't think he will set you up with girls, but he will give you darn good advice and his opinion about the local girl you might be interested in. Jasface Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/24/2011 12:26:46 AM   Hi Niceguy I have not read this whole thread so I am not deliberately disagreeing or agreeing with anyone on purpose. I can only tell you what I know. Teachers are paid rubbish. Uni Teacher maybe $200-300usd a month. I met a teacher in the south of Ukraine that said she was paid $50 a month in 2005 but I cant say whether that's 100% true or not. Seems really low. Doctors in Ukraine certainly do not get paid what our doctors do. The system of working out important jobs seems a bit upside down to me. I know that doctors seem to go to long lengths there to cure people of things we just take a pill for here, draw out the visits and get paid more I guess. I did meet a lot of girls in the south who seems very poor. My wife however comes from Kharkov and she was on $1100 USD a month in 2008 and said she could probably get maybe $2000 USD a month in Kiev, maybe even Kharkov now as she is still in contact with friends in the same industry (programmers) now. Though she was on $1100 it was not all paid to her officially. Part was just cash and depending on the value of Hrivna (or however you want to say it) to USD, they paid you in whichever one worked out better for them that month. I think they can skew the figures to make you feel sorry for them and do not tell you the cash money they get (as everyone does it) Alternative Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/27/2011 10:55:29 AM   2/3 Ukrainians do not see more then $300/month. Nurses and school teachers are less paid, esp. if not in the big city. 1/3 earns more and sometimes even more then US/EU If the person don't get more then USD200/month then probably the person do not get job proposals, don't accept them or don't want to move to another city. Americaniska Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/6/2011 7:29:56 PM   All official salaries in Ukraine are very low. But those who work in private companies receive a "gray salary" which is a combination of two elements: an official salary ($50-200) and a sealed envelope with the verbally agreed "real" salary. This scheme is done to avoid paying taxes, making contributions to pensions, or offering employees health insurance. No one (companies or people) in Ukraine wants to pay taxes, so avoiding them is a national sport! Moreover, low official salaries ensure that Ukraine remains eligible for all the foreign aid that is offered to low income countries. People are also quite smart about supplementing their incomes. Those who can speak a foreign language offer private lessons, city tours, translating services, and also take on a plethora of outsourced work (market/equity research, editorial, bookkeeping, etc.). Others sell western electronics, foods, clothes, etc; I know women who unofficially run beauty salons, and tailoring shops from their homes; and let's not forget the fortune tellers, which are in every building and can easily make a $1000 a month "predicting" the future! Also, most people from ages 18-45 think that developing business ideas is cool, so it is not surprising to find a person who has two jobs, and also runs mini-companies that occasionally provide extra income!!!! To give you a clearer picture: I work 20 hours per week at a foreign aid office as a copywriter, and I make $700 a month; since I am American, I am taxed 30%, which allows me to take home $490. I also supplement my income by selling Victoria Secret underwear and cosmetics to my colleagues, and Apple products to my yuppie friends who do not travel to the US as often as I do!!!! My husband is a Finance Director for a local investment firm. He works at least 60 hours per week and he officially gets paid $200, but his envelope usually brings $5000. During bonus season, it might be a lot more. He is considered extremely well-paid, and if we were more snobby, we would say we have 'status'. But we live in a Soviet apartment that my husband inherited from his paternal grandparents, don't have a car, and buy our food from grannies. My mother in law is a psychiatrist, and she makes $120 a month; my father in law is an economics professor and makes $225th a month; my sister in law is a student and gets a monthly scholarship payment from her university of $62.5. The coordinators in my office work 40-50 hrs per week, and are paid in an envelope. I know that my colleague gets 10,000 uah or $1250 in her envelope. A banking analyst at an investment firm makes $150 officially, but receives $3000 a month in his envelop plus bonus opportunities. My neighbor is a financial controller, and she makes $1275, her husband is a chief accountant and makes $2000. Both are official salaries. A Fashion assistant buyer for a local lingerie firm $500 A junior architect $400 A dancer at the Kyiv ballet $1250 A flight attendant $900-1250 Our office cleaning lady charges $15 for vacuuming and dusting a small office. She would charge $5 extra for cleaning an apartment and doing laundry and dishes cash only! As you can see, there are all sorts of variation in salaries; people get by. I don't make one fifth of my US former salary, but since we own our tiny apartment, have very low utility bills, we are ok. Even if my husband were to be fired tomorrow, which is very likely in Kyiv, with my very low salary, and his parents' garden, we would survive just fine. shiju Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/4/2011 9:26:08 AM   sir, optometrist salary in ukraine? MiszMaria Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/2/2012 10:40:26 AM   salary does suck here (i am from Lviv, Ukrine) for those who dont run their own business and stuff. i am a teacher and my salary is 100 USD per month... prices in malls and supermarkets etc are like those in Europe where salaries are much much higher as u probably know. lots people still live with their parents. there are cases when 5 people live in a one-room flat. it is really really hard to live here.. plus we dont even get the chance to travel as we have to get visa for quitting the country which we dont always get... flight tickets are much more expensive than in europe.. sometimes we would go to Krakow, Poland to fly to some lace we need from there because flight ticket there is at least twice cheaper. some people never saw abroad countries as well. concerning those families where mothers go abroad to work there and send money to here is totally truth. some of them haventseen their kids for 10 years and more.. just because when coming back here they will not be able to find a job etc.. 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