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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Guys, why are you even using "marriage agency" websites?? There are better ways Author Post lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2015 9:07:38 PM   Yes Rick,,, things can change! That is why I posted the year for btb! However,,, I don’t think they would move buildings around. St. Nikolaev hotel, City Centre, the old church and the car dealership all look pretty heavy. Club Storm could move,, but I doubt it. As for “Soviet st.” I remember seeing it,, and I didn’t have time to wander far. In another week or two it will be 5 years since I have been to Nikolaev! And as I wrote above,,,,,, “I think I was anxious for the taxi?” StupidAmerican Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/13/2015 11:08:27 AM   I don't understand "burning" the guys who went over to see a young girl. I wanted a younger girl too. When I was in the scam dating industry that is all I was told. So I believed it. Now I want to be honest and I want to be straight with all the men here. I have met several women in their 20s. I was intimate with some of them. It did not work out, of course. But I am a glad I dated them, because it was dating honestly. I met one lady at a website (i don't know if I can mention the name). It was a low cost monthly site. She was 26. This lady was damn near a perfect ten when it came to looks. Maybe not the nicest person, but she was certainly beautiful. We had a great time over several days. She was from Kiev. We never took a cab gentlemen. She thought they were too expensive. She would refuse gifts I wanted to buy for her. She felt it was beneath her to accept money or presents from a man. I met another lady in Kiev, younger, 24 years old. But she was very mature. We did not get sexual, but it was a very nice date. It was honest and it was real. I met her at a free dating site. So I think it is wrong headed to blast men because they want someone 20 years younger. It is possible. It just isn't possible at a scam site. And by the way, you can get scammed at Adate, AFA, HRB, etc., etc, with women who are in their 40s. None of those women want you, they are working jobs. So if you are at a good site or agency, I totally recommend talking to younger women. They won't say yes, if they don't like you. There is no money in it. Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/13/2015 12:13:29 PM   LR wrote: "In another week or two it will be 5 years since I have been to Nikolaev!" yes, they are planning a 5 year commemoration of your departure. It will be next to the one about driving out the Nazis in the great war,lol TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/13/2015 5:27:27 PM   StupidAmerican why do you call yourself StupidAmerican? Did you have a bad experience? Tell us about it. Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/13/2015 9:59:43 PM   Yes, why stupid american? sounds like you know whats up for the most part. I will disagree with you that everyone can get the young girl. Although my girlfriend is 28 years younger than me I cannot in good conscience recommend an age difference of over 20 years to ANYONE, especially the average westerner who wants to bring her to his country. It is a recipe for heartbreak and financial loss! Young girls more than 20 years younger than you are mostly good only in the short term(less than 6 months)If you try to bring a 20 year old girl as a wife to the US as a 50 year old man you are simply providing a free ticket to her freedom! It takes a very unique dynamic for there to even remotely be a chance at success over even the medium term (5-10 years) why should you believe me? because I live that reality. Thats the age group I date. why do i attempt it? Because I live with them in Ukraine where this has higher chance of success. Even then, the chances of success are less than 10% but I do it simply because at this point in my life I am willing to risk it because while it lasts, its an awesome experience and a great ride. I also have no qualms about having another child with a young girl. In Ukraine almost no one gives you a hard time about your relationship with a young girl while in the US and western countries it is still a big social taboo that puts undue pressure on your marriage. If I marry my young girl it will be at least a year after before i consider bringing her to US for even a few months at a time. If you are good with short term relationships with 20 somethings then go for it but if you are serious about a forever wife you can bring home to the US then be realistic. If you are 50 then there are some really hot 30 year old girls that would be welcome in my life also as a wife. Your chances of long term success go up 100 fold and you will absolutely not be disappointed in your sex life and you will get years of enjoyment waking up with them every morning! bondel Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/21/2015 5:27:24 AM   Are you are prepared for the long journeys to and from ukraine while she deceives you with other local men Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/22/2015 9:49:57 PM   bondel, she will go back and forth with me and its not really a long journey. 14 or so hours with stops Tom Shea Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/28/2015 11:09:02 PM   Bondel, it sounds like you only date whores. My wife only got letters from 3 men. She had one been with 4 men in her life and one was her first husband. Just because you date women with round heels, you can't include them all. Nadia ^(0.0)^ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/6/2015 11:32:09 AM   You never speak with the women on theose sites. Interprepers are made to write the letters to you, and the women are kept even more ignorant than you. They even have to speak to you for the women (if they are women too, if not, they ask a woman colleague to speak and translate what she says) when a call is requested. This is why the ladies behave so cunningly and trick you into writing more, staying in online chat longer - at an agency will always have you spend more and more. I know it, because I have tried this job twice. First, at an agency called the Orchid in Dniepropetrovsk, Ukraine, in 2008, and then in summer 2014 at the Charming Date in Kyiv (Kiev), Ukraine. At the former, I was given an account of a very young girl Anastasia Martynova, who once wanted to be an interpreter there, too, but was naive enough to let them create a client's account for her. So, they have been using it ever since she left the agency forever just to train new interpreters, and the men who wrote to her were asking why she behaved so strangely. threading_signals Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/6/2015 6:12:41 PM   Natashaclub has some profiles that are said to have a 100% trust rating, so it should be similar to anastasiadate's verified listings, which is meaningless most of the time. I can vouch that Charming Date has a lot of scammers as well. Doing a keyword search of a lady's profile should bring up profiles using the same description but with a different woman's pictures of her profile. The profiles of ladies are handled by representatives and so information on obtaining contact information or background checks should be more valuable, because occasionally, they do release real contact information, for whatever reason. They have released contact information for a Ukrainian suitor living in the U.S. for instance - a success story. The last four times I got contact information, they only gave me email addresses, which turned out useless. One has to remember that the young girls can't really afford to spend time on multiple suitors due to a lack of translation and/or her internet connectivity status. Nadia verifies the scam is commonplace and indiscriminate of city or dating network. The best business control would be to have a video of a girl writing the letter, which is shown, and the subsequent letters are handwritten and then scanned and translated. But following Nadia's advice is much better. Just avoid agency letters and online chats altogether. This means that you have to learn the language and have some sort of business, humanitarian, or other sound purpose/objective to visit there which helps you establish contacts that turn social long-term. It will also boost the economy there more than the agencies can by themselves because it puts the money out of the hands of wannabe oligarchs and more into the local economies, so there is more competition. Sort of like the debate perspective posed by those against Wal-Mart. I'm glad to see confirmation of the practices that trashes the hope of many well-intentioned people, so that better approaches are highlighted. dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2015 1:38:42 AM   "have some sort of business, humanitarian, or other sound purpose/objective to visit there" Yes, I would agree that it is a better approach, but is it a practical approach? For many, the answer is an unequivocal no. Tom Shea Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2015 12:10:27 PM   In all the contacts I had with women I never used a Web sites chat feature. What's the point of eliminating scammers by going to a party per month service just to add back in a reason to scam? Honestly every single woman I met in ukraine had access the Internet. Either that had it at home, on their phone.... what ever. The biggest complaint i got was they didn't want to give out their e mail incase things didn't work out. I countered with open a new free account at yahoo. If we don't work out just abandon it. You also can always use Skype the same way, open a special account and later delete it. With these options, there's is no reason a woman will not give you her e mail after a few letters, long before your membership here runs out. However this falls back on my other rule, don't get involved with any woman that doesn't speak English at least well enough to communicate. It shows motivation to actually succeed at her dream. Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2015 10:45:24 PM   dcguy wrote: "have some sort of business, humanitarian, or other sound purpose/objective to visit there" I will give you a good humanitarian or sound purpose to visit. just give me a few hours of your time helping my kids!!! dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2015 11:22:50 PM   "I will give you a good humanitarian or sound purpose to visit. just give me a few hours of your time helping my kids!!!" LOL I got my own share of overseas relatives who need charity. Even on here in the USA who has been asking for assistance since the 1980s. cunning stunt Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/13/2015 10:13:22 AM   did she get hold of your visa or has she run EG Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/5/2015 5:21:57 PM   Interesting, after all these years (11) to see the same familiar names on this board. Mamba is OK if you stay within your age range - almost all of the "young model-type hotties" are fake. VK (as Vkontake is now called) is better. Essentially, Facebook for the FSU. But even Mamba and VK are full of scammers and time wasters but that is just life. I tend to use the agencies to get initial details (DOB, name, location) and then hunt them down via the Internet - Facebook, VK, mail.ru and so on. Sometimes it works, oftentimes it does not. It's a numbers game. So I'm on my 11th trip to the FSU next month. I've been travelling, off and on, for the past 11 years. After a disappointment, I might give it a rest for a year or so and then restart my search. I found the most wonderful woman 6 years ago; 2 trips to see her, met her parents, all looked great. They we quarrelled and went our separate ways. After 5 years, she came back int my life and I'm on my way back to see if the old flame is still there for both if us. After all this time, and 11 years is a long time, I am quite philosophical about the whole "find your soulmate in FSU" thing. If it works out that fine. If it doesn't, well that's fine too. EG TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/5/2015 5:43:53 PM   "then hunt them down via the Internet - Facebook, VK, mail.ru and so on. Sometimes it works, oftentimes it does not" You pay an airline don't you? They provide a flight. You pay a hotel don't you? And they provide a room for you to stay in. It's not wrong to pay an agency. They provide you with a valuable service and can put you in direct contact with ladies. Ladies don't want to be pestered via their social networking profiles. Think of all the ladies you've missed because of your stinginess. EG Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/5/2015 6:14:17 PM   TomZ, your posts are juvenile and immature in the extreme. I have used many, many agencies over the years. With one, BeHappy2Day in Tver , Russia, I spent over $7000 - so please get over yourself. And grow up. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/5/2015 6:24:45 PM   "It's not wrong to pay an agency." I don't see EG's post stating that. TomZ is just telling you what he knows that he thinks you do not know. "Ladies don't want to be pestered via their social networking profiles." TomZ is now a spokesman for the ladies. Some do, some don't, but you cannot come to that conclusion; certainly not because TomZ says so. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/5/2015 6:27:12 PM   OK then so why the move to track the ladies down yourself? (and you're often failing to do so - you've admitted it.) It seems to me it would be just simpler to pay agencies a fair price to put the two of you in contact than you expending all your time and energy to do so - sounds like hit and miss to me. 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