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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Time To Give Up On Young Ukrainian Women? Author Post WTFisgoingon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/28/2013 12:50:18 PM   I went to Odessa last week. Cold and raining. Not much action/interest from internet girls in Odessa. I don't have the game to walk into a bar myself and talk to someone. I want to try Lviv or Chernivtsi even. Somewhere in the west and smaller. Kharkiv interests me but its far away and I have zero Russian language skills. WTFisgoingon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/30/2013 3:19:40 AM   > Lots of Baltic, Eastern European, Balkan and Slavic girls….BTW, the British,Polish and Hungarian girls are everywhere How do I meet them in London? Are they active online? kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/30/2013 7:21:39 AM   Dude! UK have more foreigners than the States, thx to its EU membership. Vk or Odnoklassniki... but do your homework on this since girls here are already here... Now..go to YouTube and get some A game. Any accent other than British is a plus.. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/30/2013 12:34:08 PM   @WTF, Something you might want to try while you're still in Kyiv ... go to elenasmodels.com, it's easy to browse profiles even if you aren't signed up. There are a LOT of profiles with ages from 18-29. [Disclaimer: I don't contact women in that age group, and know nothing about typical intentions/sincerity/etc.] Unless things have changed, you can draw up a list of numbers for the profiles that interest you, and march down to their office. It's in a hotel on the river embankment, which could be reached (for example) by going north on Kreshchatik past the Maidan and steeply downhill, or down the winding shopping-street Andriivskiy Uzviz. I don't remember the name of the hotel, and failed to find it online. But you can ring their home office in Australia, or send a message on their site to get the hotel's name, address, and their office hours. There is (or was) a small but rather bright "ELENAS MODELS" sign visible from the sidewalk. At the office, a bored-looking woman will ring up the young ladies on your list to find out whether they're interested in a very-soon meeting with a guy who walked in to their office. They charge for each meeting they set up. It's not cheap, but when I did this once (years ago) the meetings were nice, and the women were the real deal. Tom Shea Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/30/2013 10:44:22 PM   I found Elena models to be a total joke. Oddly one lady did write to me and after 2 letters was demanding i go meet he r. Anyway you guys are out of your mind for not looking right here. My fiancée arrives a week from tomorrow. Fiance.com is the only place I'd ever look. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/1/2013 2:23:50 AM   I like how Durak put in a disclaimer!! I don’t recommend any sites to guys,,, because none are honest. A few have a slight advantage, like fiance and VIP membership,,, which will save you some money,,,,, but no site saves any time. Tom Shea Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/2/2013 5:52:25 AM   Durak, why wouldn't you all have 10 women you have written 100 times over the last 6 months ask in the sane city before you left? If a woman is motivated by money she will not write deep meaningful letters for that long, a long a you don't send her money. Then let one get an apartment for you. Agree to a price first obviously. I told each one i would be in their town for only 3 days. The mercenary ones then think after this huge investment in time they just have 3 days to try and scam you. They are forced to show their hands right away. When i meet the one who will arrive next Tuesday i first saw her and thought "there's no way this woman will be around for 4 days, she's way too beautiful. 18 days later as was leaving her i have her $300 for days of work she played hookey. She then said ," no this is too much" and gave me $200 back. Its easy to spot the scammers and if she was one, one of the other 9 would not have been. The truth odd that after 4 days i write well the others, told them i had found the woman of my dreams and wished them all the best. Truth is my fiancée has told me she knows dozens and dozens of friends that were very envious of her and has offered to introduce all the women any of my friend wish to meet if they go over to Ukraine and she will personally vouch for each one of them. She's signed a nearly abusive prenup.... No, she's here forever. zarkey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/5/2013 4:38:45 AM   I actually finally got my BLOG up, now if you have a specific question if someone is a scammer, or you need a photo taken with me and the special someone, I can do that now. Remember, I've done it all. I'm married, I have a 25 year old wife, I'm 28 now. I know the difference between a dead fish and someone is actually real with my eyes closed! Please visit http://mikesukradventure.com/askmike/ kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/6/2013 8:55:49 AM   @Zarkey …. Are you a fortune teller now? Anyone can smell a dead fish, but for some people the dead fish have to be right under their nose to react. This Forum is free, and so is Google…..Fortune telling is one of the oldest profession in history! Good luck trying to make money out of people’s ignorance… zarkey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/7/2013 3:52:39 PM   The problem is, people don't know much about Ukrainian Women. I do. I've seen too many people make the wrong mistakes. And google cannot help you. I'm just trying to save people money in the end-run. I'm married. I never spent much on my wife. I never got scammed. I did something right. I share that with personal experiences. Like I said, I understand Ukrainian mentality better than most people because I teach them every week. Around 200 students. Tom Shea Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/8/2013 3:14:25 AM   Hahaha "remember I've done it all"..."I'm 28". One of the funniest things I've ever read. zarkey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/8/2013 11:12:59 AM   In terms of knowing Ukrainian Women. Yes kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/8/2013 5:04:33 PM   The fact is that all women share the BASIC NEEDS regardless if she is Ukrainian, American, European, Asian, Middle Eastern or from Antarctica!!! The difference is languages and culture among them, since beauty is in the eyes on the beer holder….( well, something like that !) "The problem is, people don't know much about Ukrainian Women. I do." ...I am not going to argue or question that.... After reading over several themes and threads on this Forum, we all westerners share some of the same issues. Needless to say that every person is its own world, the MENTALITY of an UA girls from Poltava are different than those in Kiev and from those who are already in Western Europe or the USA. Another observation based on my time in Dnepropetrovsk; the more educated and financially stable her or her family is, will look less towards for a western man.( get my point!!) Forget about THEIR mentality and focus winning HER heart and mind, by learning a bit about of her language (helpful to communicate or understand w/ her relative and friends) and culture, and by foremost being a REAL MAN. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/9/2013 5:28:44 PM   well said Kaiser, communication is massive, it is the very thing that will make you or break you. it i think was the most trying for me,,, with her limited language skills, which was very good really, 80-85% there. she had massive problems mastering the way we use it here in casual conversation to the most difficult, as to debate anything. communication always pulled back to basic speech. its something i had to except and use myself with her. think how this effects her mentally, specially around groups of people, frustrating it must of been. then theres yourself if you like deep conversations, it limits you, with the very person you want to communicate with. this can change the very aspect of the relationship how you deal with this person on a daily basis. if you cannot give her the time to adjust or have the capability to except this period of time,,,, which isn't a short time,,, be sure to find someone with 100% english skills which isn't easy in itself that fits your character.. even then i'm sure there would be some similar communication problems. one only needs to see them back home around people speaking russian how different their communication character is. if you cannot handle dealing with this,, for its a time thing, think very seriously about taking on a fsu girl.. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/9/2013 9:53:48 PM   "communication is massive, it is the very thing that will make you or break you" How to spot a scammer, pure and simple: Does not communicate. Keeps a lot to herself. It is what is in her mind that doesn't tell you that breaks you." kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2013 1:28:27 PM   That is true Kiwi, It was all nice a romantic at the beginning but once it goes the next level …..it will be growing pains. Talks turning into quarrels ….Trying to resolve conflicts….. Like a high school all over again!! Agree w/ RB, Just, want to add that…..It takes interaction and common sense (since lack of it is an apparent pandemic lately) to SPOT a scammer or a genuine person, either a local or a long distance relationship, and time will tale. I was not scammed in UA but in Budapest on a weekend trip. How? I was trying to_______. But at the end I was the GAME not the HUNTER...[ feel free to LOL ] Lesson #1: Trying to impress a lady with money and gift is dump/rubbish. [w/ FSU#1] Lesson #2: Letters, phone texting, Skype video chats will not give you the whole picture until you MEET in the FLESH. [w/ FSU#2] Lesson #3: If requirements are met than, communicated effectively about expectations and analyze each other reactions from a realistic point of view. [w/ FSU#1&2] zarkey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2013 4:40:54 PM   We're not even talking about communication here. We're talking about how people think. I notice, from students, their thinking is very different. And thus, we do things differently than they do. It's hard to connect with someone if you think differently than someone. You respond differently, do things differently, have different traditions. Jokes are funny. Metaphors are different. The problem is, most men, still do not know who or what they are dealing with most times. I can speak Ukrainian. Most of you's cannot. I'm not "Knocking you". Maybe a bit of criticism. Bottom line, Western Men need help on this. zarkey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2013 4:44:42 PM   Needless to say that every person is its own world, the MENTALITY of an UA girls from Poltava are different than those in Kiev Kaiserdog. This doesn't make sense. Most people in Kiev, are not from Kiev. It's actually hard to find a person "From" Kiev. I would say, there's a difference between East and West Ukraine. Like Soviet, and Non-Soviet mentality. kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2013 4:54:59 AM   “The problem is, most men, still do not know who or what they are dealing with most times.” Agree,,, But in that case.... “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do” Luke 23:34 KJV “I would say, there's a difference between East and West Ukraine.” The Dnieper River divides the UA in thinking and expressing. ( Lviv vs. Kharkov ) “We’re talking about how people think. “= STEREOTYPES see Wikipedia for more information. After working and living on various occasions in UA my mentally changed but colleagues who have not being they have the MENTALITY of …Communist, the cold war and Vodka. I had also traveled around Europe and noticed/ heard different points of view about my kind too….the good the bad and the ugly. I just practice the golden rule to my best anytime/anywhere and hope for the best. zarkey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2013 5:28:39 AM   And another note. Most people here think too much. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Time To Give Up On Young Ukrainian Women?
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