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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Need to know when to stop and cut your losses Author Post TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2015 10:58:08 AM   Rick4girl - because the restaurant is in on the scam! When you come in they pull out the pro-dater menus. Read this case: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15566.0 "He had even bought a book to help him understand the culture and what to do here and what not to do here, but was still put together for a $325 dinner. You know the drill, led to the back room, given the best possible service, the girl ordering for him without ever showing him the menu, expensive wine or alcohol, etc. He just sat by as all of this happened." How is that even possible you ask Rick4girl? BECAUSE THE RESTAURANT IS IN ON THE SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are not talking about normal restaurants. We are talking about restaurants who are in collusion with the pro-dater. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2015 2:36:03 PM   TomZ.....you believe this??? Take it as a grain of salt. The guy was getting used by the girl, the dollar amount was used as 'figurative' only, it was not a true dollar amount. I know this story very well of the 35 year old guy that got beat up. He was a big part of problem....so gullable for everything and would not listen to anyone. In fact, he boasted about his 'being well off'. And night he was robbed and beaten, HE brought the girl to his apt in hopes of getting laid....only to find out he was being set up. Not saying he deserved it but he sure contributed to the outcome. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2015 9:15:54 PM   300USD meals,, guys getting beat up,,, sounds dangerous? I don’t feel bad about my 6 to 10 month correspondences!! Impatient scammers will lose interest in me, and so will insincere women. One of the nicest things a girl can do for you, is to let you know that they are not interested. But that almost never happens! TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2015 10:13:49 PM   Rick4girl "how is that even possible???" How is that possible? Google Monaco restaurant Kiev. Try $800-$900 meals for 2-3 people. Even over a thousand $. Read the Trip Advisor reviews. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2015 10:14:49 PM   beemer18 "you believe this???" Yes, I do. One of the worst things you can do in the FSU is boast that you have money. This will attract undue attention. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2015 12:51:51 AM   Actually, I agree boasting is not the thing to do. I meant do you believe the $300 bill for restaurant? I know for a fact it never happened. The $300 had to do with drinks, food, interpreter, taxi's, going from bar to bar over several dates. There was no restaurant milking guy and giving kickback to girl in this situation. Girl was not a prodater, she was early 20's and the plan was hatched by guys who were friends of girl. Again, guy was marked because of big mouth!! dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2015 2:38:10 AM   "One of the nicest things a girl can do for you, is to let you know that they are not interested. But that almost never happens!" Several of the ladies on this site have told me that they no longer are interested in corresponding with me. Some just decided to quit the site and others found more interesting men. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2015 3:29:29 AM   I am not sure that in this specific case it was the restaurant scam as I have previously described. Still it's quite easy for the girl to run the bill up into the hundreds if you're not careful. I've had the girl finger the menu and select the most expensive wines, entrees and deserts. They just presume that you should pay. I even had one order a cigarette menu and expected me to pay for her cigarettes. I told her you can order a drink but I am not going to support your cigarette addiction. You'll have to pay those yourself. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2015 4:01:48 PM   "Has anyone else encountered the “pro dater” menus?" LR - you paid your pro-dater menu, to the tune of a two thousand dollar shopping spree. Your pro-dater pulled out her "menu" as soon as she saw you coming! You see there are different kinds of pro-dater menus. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2015 4:15:36 PM   You shot yourself in the foot LR. You set her up all nice in Kiev. She had no need of you, no reason to leave. I've seen this happen so many times, guy falls in love with girl, buys her everything she needs, no longer wants to leave. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2015 6:21:39 PM   No Tom,,, you’re backpedaling, hoping to divert everyone’s attention away from that pro dater menu thing, and back on to that shopping spree. You seem to be the only one that has heard/or seen a 300 to 500USD dinner? I haven’t had anything close to that. But if you want to talk about my ex,,,,,,,,,,,,, I hadn’t stayed in Kyiv before this. I looked online the night before and made a list of hotels,,,, I asked her which ones were closest to her? She texted a short list, and I showed the taxi driver the list. Most of her suggestions were “too cheap” for me,,, said the driver. The Slavutich was a middle of the road hotel,,, and it was on both of our lists,,, I stayed there. When we started our date,, it was just lunch and walking around. I noticed that she lost a lot of weight,,, and was dressing rather poorly. I had about a week to change that. The first thing I wanted to buy for her was boots,,, but she was reluctant to buy them, and seemed more interested in a coat. We went up and down the mall,,,,, might have went to another mall before choosing one. I then wanted to buy her boots,,, but she was still reluctant and I almost had to prod her to do it. I told her,, that I had the money,, and it wasn’t a problem! I then showed her one wallet,,,, with several “1,000” with the bands still on them. No more prodding was needed!! Lol I wanted to do it for her,,, and with the exception of standing around for too long a few times,,, I had fun! We also played games and other things with that money,,, it wasn’t just filling her closet. You keep saying that I walked away with nothing?? Well,, by my standards that is somewhat true,, we are not married! By your standards,,, it’s not!!! I know what the definition of a gift is,,, you don’t. I don’t give someone something for the sole purpose of getting something in return. “You shot yourself in the foot LR. You set her up all nice in Kiev. She had no need of you, no reason to leave.” Her career was more important to her than me. It took her a couple of years to achieve her life’s goals,, but she did it! I give her credit for accomplishing her goals. There was a chance for the two of us if I wanted to live in Ukraine,,, but I don’t! My only regret was not returning before she moved to Kyiv. Maybe she could have modified her goals if she had never been in Kyiv in the first place. But,,, then she might regret never having the chance?? There are no refunds or do-overs in Ukraine. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2015 6:27:38 PM   You didn't get the girl LR. You didn't get the girl. I got the girl LR. I got the girl. And that's the bottom line. Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2015 7:25:02 PM   "You didn't get the girl LR. You didn't get the girl. " And he hasnt been back in nearly 4 years yet is the expert here! $2000 shopping really isnt a big deal IF there is a relationship that appears to be going somewhere. An Iphone 5s is still $650+ in Ukraine and its a pretty common gift to girlfriends by expats and local guys alike. I admit I just got my girl one but we have a relationship and may just get married if things continue well. She is going to move into my home in a few weeks, HOWEVER,the same rules STILL APPLY. You DO NOT SEND MONEY OR BUY ANYTHING for someone you have not met yet!!! Only buy gifts appropriate to the stage of your relationship. A typical first date should not even run over $60 including her taxi home. More expensive gifts should wait until the relationship is heading in the right direction without red flags. If she truly doesnt have a smartphone and service capable of Skype and other chat programs, a good phone with these abilities is LESS THAN $100 if you feel like you have a girl that you want to continue with after you return home. There are a couple of services(websites) that allow you to "re-up" her phone online without needing to send her money directly. Simply guys, dont let fantasy and promises without giving something back cloud your judgement. MartinPC Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2015 7:31:03 PM   TomZ, Why don't you boast about something that the rest of us might find interesting ... How about you boast that your dick is bigger than LR's because it seems that everything else about you is better than LR? lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2015 7:47:10 PM   TomZ,,, if you spend one night with the girl, you can claim success and say that you: “Got the girl!” I’m going for more like 10,950 nights,,, or 30 years. As you can see,, my goals are a little more lofty. Rick,,, the self proclaimed expert on my travel history,,,, but full of sh!t as always. I knew the girl for two years when that shopping spree took place! But there were red ribbons. MartinPC Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2015 8:04:27 PM   "I’m going for more like 10,950 nights,,, or 30 years." There's an average of 10,957.5 days in 30 years :) lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2015 8:20:34 PM   7.5 leap years?? I heard something about them adding a "leap second" this year. lol MartinPC Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2015 8:43:09 PM   I have enough trouble here explaining to these locals that there aren't necessarily 30 days in a month. When my ex fired our first 2 kitchen staff (after 4 days) October 2013 I divided their monthly salary by 31 x 4 to calculate their monies due, they argued and argued that I should only have divided it by 30, that there are 30 days in a month :) TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2015 4:04:12 AM   "$2000 shopping really isnt a big deal IF there is a relationship that appears " 2K is not a big deal? Maybe not for you Rick, but for most of us that's about a month's income. Am I going to spend a month's income in trying to persuade someone to have a relationship or to stay in a relationship? I think not. LR tells us that he took the girl on the shopping spree out of his own initiative. She was not pressuring him in any way. Still he thought that by buying her these items it would cement the relationship. Turns out it backfired on him. She will not even answer his emails. Proceed with caution in any relationship is the only advice I can give. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/11/2015 5:44:39 AM   You see Rick4girl you've probably never encountered pro-daters because you speak the language. You are able to pick up girls at the bus stop or wherever. For the rest of us we have to use the sites. We have to contend with pro-daters and scammers. I would say that 50% of the profiles you see on the sites are fake. Of the remaining about 80% of those are professional daters or girls with some other agenda than getting married or having a serious relationship. That leaves very few that are for real. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Need to know when to stop and cut your losses
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