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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Man age to: Author Post GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 2:37:57 AM   What you (TimH, Man & Slow) miss in my pre-nup advocacy is that both parties are protected from real, well founded potential abuse ....or at the very least, future misunderstandings if things go sour between the spouses. If you think the western husband is the only one at risk of losing something should the east/west marriage fail, you're simply short sighted and not thinking enough about protecting the eastern woman's welfare. As I stated before, and do again, a pre-nup is an agreement document that also protects the eastern wife against spousal abuse, neglect, abandon, etc etc etc.... In this day and age it makes perfect sense to enter the not so holly institution of marriage with your eyes wide open, while you put your best efforts to make it work for a 'happily ever after' outcome. Simply spare me the romantically and unrealistic view that pre-nups insinuate selfishness on anyone's part. The current judicial system of abusive marital legislature completely justifies the use of pre-nups. amen #2 ..or 3...(can't keep them straight after a good martini, lol) Bed time for me....see you all manana...:) Olga, give us your input on this one... Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 3:00:21 AM   GLTALLTOAD, you are right to saying that pre-nups also protect the eastern woman's welfare. But this is the way it should be. And if all prenups were aimed to protect interests of both partners-then I do not think eastern wives would mind signing those.From what we know,western men insist on preups for protecting their own interests. Sorry but this is what the majority of ladies think about it. Its not common to Russia. And for many ladies over here it will be more then offencive to get a proposal to sign this agreement. Yes I understand that an agreement document must also protect the eastern wife against spousal abuse, neglect, abandon, etc etc etc... but it supposes some sort of a cultural background behind this. In Russia( Ukraine) people see it in a different way. And I guess it will take lots of time for them to change oppinion on this matter. They just not used to it. Personally I havent seen ladies that would want to sign a pre-nup agreement. But 've seen many of those who broke relationships with their potencial husbands at the first sign that he wants a pre-nup ;-) TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 4:44:21 AM   "From what we know,western men insist on preups for protecting their own interests. Sorry but this is what the majority of ladies think about it." And they are quite right in thinking that way Olga. Pre-Nups are the most cynical thing I think I have ever heard of !! You say it protects her too GLT !! No it doesnt, it protects only the man, bcause to protect her too all you need do is Nothing !! The law will prtect her without any Pre-Nup !! When you marry an FSU woman she is already losing everything she has because she gives it all up (bar a suitcase full of clothes) to go to you. How much more do you want her to sacrifice ??? !! Yes I understand that an agreement document must also protect the eastern wife against spousal abuse, neglect, abandon," No need Olga, in the west,unlike in Russia we have laws that will do that for her. Pre-Nups are purely a finacial contract, they have shit to do with abuse, neglecy, or abandon, they simply make the mans money (or the womans if she is rich and the one insisting on the Pre-Nup) safe from the person they "Say" they love, but hell they certainly dont trust them, and if they dont trust them they shouldnt be marrying them in the first place !!! I hope they never change opinion on this matter !! Pre-Nups are a disgusting Lawyer created bag of misstrust !!! "Personally I havent seen ladies that would want to sign a pre-nup agreement." And I sure as hell would walk away from any woman who asked me to sign one too !!! Pre-Nups are for selfish, greedy, selfimportant people who dont love anyone or anything except themselves, money and material possessions !!! TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 4:47:45 AM   Pre-Nups are Cold, hard, cash issues, Nothing more. The only thing they protect is the money and possessions of the person who wants the Pre-Nup ! Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 4:48:13 AM   Tim I agree with every word you say here ;-) idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 8:26:43 AM   True tim, but with todays laws it is an issue worth thinking about but pre-nups bring it to the attention of your partner that you are not 100% and that attention is the real problem. I protected myself in a much smarter way and she never knew about it and it is all legal. In hind sight I am happy I done it even if you do consider it cold, it has till now and possibly will again save my arse. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 10:26:01 AM   Olga, Yes, I understand that there's no widespread use of prenups in FSU countries. They're the one and only defense a western man has against the anti-male feminazy legislation of the western countries. I consider it another one of the multitude of cultural differences an eastern woman should understand before choosing or even rejecting a western man. After all, she will be living in the west, not in Russia, Belarus or Ukraine.... See my new thread just for this topic for more details. TimH, I do enjoy sparring disagreements with you or anyone else, but let's keep the accusations of selfishnes or greed out of it. Pre-nups are the one and only way to protect men against abusive legslation. period. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 10:36:15 AM   GLTALLTOAD as I already said I respect your opinion. But I don't understand one thing...when a man gets married with a woman from Russia, Ukraine, Belorus (actually it doesn't matter from where now) he wants that because she is not western kind, and not western behaviour, but when you want her to sign the pre-nup agreement, you want her to act like a western woman...that's something that I don't understand...maybe you will clear this contradiction up for me, please?????? GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 10:50:02 AM   Pitchka, Quite the contrary... The western women do not want to sign the pre-nups, either. Refusing to sign it is acting like western women. And keep in mind that the prenup document, at least in my case, is to protect me from abusive laws, not any one woman in particular... GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 10:57:58 AM   Pitchka, There is a bit of irony in our quest for eastern women that we want to act according to traditional family oriented customs....but once we find her, what do we do?......We bring her to the west to live among the female barracudas who make 'fleecing a man' through the courts a national sport. are we stupid or what, lol? Seriously now.....Ultimately, I think we all hope to purge the western feminazy movement from within by bringing eastern women to live here and take the traditional roles of wife and household manager while the man does his role of provider and head of household. it may sound oversimplistic, but it goes along those lines. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 10:58:12 AM   And I thought that western women do sign the contracts, well I guess that you know them better anyway:) But the reasons are different, didn't you think about it??? Do western women also speak about morals when refusing to sign the contract????? Oh sorry the pre-nup agreement????? GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 11:13:11 AM   Pitchka, when it comes to morality, neither religion nor contracts have absolutley anything to do with it. A prenup is an agreement that lays the foundation of how two people will do things while married. And marriage is the most significant money contract you will ever enter in your life....at least, it is in the west. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 11:16:53 AM   Ok OK I agree that we may look at it the contrary way...but for me marriage never was the money contract, and I bet for the majority of girls here too. OK some seek only money I have to admit that, but it's not a very big persentage...but to think about the marriage as a money contract...I would kill myself when start thinking like that, it would me, for me, that I become too cinical...... Dale E Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 11:36:29 AM   GLTALLTOAD- First of all I'd like to say I understand your point of view on the pre-nup. NO man wants to give up half his assests to a short term marriage, when it took 20yrs. to accumilate them. On the flip side of the coin, a pre-nup is basically a piece of paper that is a divorce settlement before you're even married. It sends a message of mistrust and greediness immediately into the picture. Also a question of love. That's the way a woman sees it. I can't say you're right or wrong, it's just a matter of preference. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 11:39:58 AM   Dale Point well taken... But a prenup is much more than that. It does not just settle a divorce in case of marraige failure. It also sets the guidelines for both to go at it once they're married. Read Pitchka's story of her 'married friend with no money' on the other thread Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 11:43:13 AM   GLTALLTOAD the story of my friend shows that there is no trust and no agreements could make this better...no tonns of paper and documents can make the trust appear where it is no trust at all!!! And you say "It also sets the guidelines for both to go at it once they're married" , sorry but as I have an irrational type of character, I hate all guidelines as to the way to act...... GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 12:06:32 PM   Pitchka, I'm sure you did not mean to describe yourself as "irrational"...at least I hope not:)) If you hate guidelines so much and want to be a "free spirit" I'm sure you will find your soul mate somewhere in the west... For both your sakes I hope he has a good 'trust fund' to help you pay the bills, lol... Do you really want to be married, Pitchka? Don't you agree that marriage has a gazillion guidelines to follow? or are those marriage guidelines also things you hate and reject?...Please clarify that for me..:)) Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 12:16:15 PM   GLTALLTOAD OK I just stopped before leaving.... I have irrational type of character, I like creative things more and creative jobs then the routine. Actually I'm not looking in the west...I have my boyfriend here with whom I'm deeply in love, and who loves me the same deeply. And we're together for a rather long time already. I myself can pay my bills if I need to. :) Do I really want to get married??? The seal in the passport is not important for me, I want to be with the man I love, and how it will it doesn't matter. And who did invent those guidelines?? I disagree with most of them. It was discussed here already, and I said that "if a man is on the diet, why can't he look through the menu"? It means that I'm not against my boyfriend looking on other girls, preety girls, I'm not against when he goes to a party with his friends (without me), and he is not againts when I go with my friends (without him) to a party (because we have a deep trust with each other).:))))))) And it's not a joke, it's the truth:) dma Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 12:21:20 PM   I think you two should admit to the undying love you have for each other and set a date! ;) (pre-nup of course. lol) I think you should not be with a woman (or man) unless she (he) has your full trust and for that, what is yours is hers and what is hers is yours. If you're uncertain...why get married? GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 12:34:35 PM   Dma, Sorry, lol..she's taken aready (phheeww) Trust is not admisible in court to protect you from getting fleeced should your beloved and trusted spouse change his/her mind after getting married. Simple as that. It may sound brutally pragmatic, but I'm not longer the idealistic, 'love will provide', romantic dreamer I once was... I rather enjoy romance and marriage with my assets protected from unforseen changes of mind. Thank you very much. Russian brides > Main Forum > Man age to:
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