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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > ! Author Post scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/1/2004 5:25:29 PM   Ditto, I've got half a mind to ignore such statements! :-) I'm in Dallas/Fort Worth. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/3/2004 6:05:18 PM   I've spoken to friends from the FSU who seem to have an unusually exagerated sense of the danger we face in the states. One phenomenom unmentioned heretofor is that Russian people seem to put a lot of stock in movies that they see about the US. A girl I dated once seemed amazed that I could not ballroom dance. She said that ALL American men can dance. She said she knew it because Tom Cruise and Richard Gere could - along with all the other movie stars!!! Well they seem to also beleive all of the incredible violence seem on the screen a shown in "Lethal Weapon" and countless other movies. It has been said (and I find it to be true in every case I've known) that Russian seem to think they know what the US is like and they beleive they know it better than Americans do. And they are generally wrong. It should be pointed out to then that there is no relation to reality with the amount carnage they can see in a typical shoot-en-up movie and the real life mundane situation of a real police department. I live in an area that has around 200,000 people in it here in Wisconsin. While violent crime is not nonexistant here, it is nearly so. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/3/2004 7:22:15 PM   Jet I can't really believe what you say!!! :) I never met such people who really believe in films that hard!!! OK just after the USSR broke many people believed what we saw in films, but at the same time many people at least here in Lugansk listened to the radio "Voice of America" and here many students from other countries studied at the Universities, and maybe this helped many people here in Lugansk not believe films that much...but you did surprise me a lot!!!:) nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2004 5:23:11 AM   Thank God the Russian People haven't found Michael Moore. They would think all gun owners in the US are just waiting to blow some one away. I think I'm going to make a movie called the Excedrin Factor! Where one US president took the time out of his busy schedule of doing interns in the oval office to blow up an aspirin factory in the Sudan. Where was the outrage there. I'm no George Bush fan by any means, but if that poor boy didn't lift the lid when he pisses they would want him impeached. Ptichka, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in Voice of America. It's a lot of propoganda just like Radio Free Europe was. The real voice of America is guys like me and the rest of the yanks in this room. Though we may not all agree, I will defend their right to say what they want. Plus there is a lot of influence from Hollyweird. Even in America people are influence by unadulterated bullshit. Look what Hollywood tried to do to Mel Gibson when he released The Passion! It was anti-semitic and all that crap. So all Christians are anti-semites according to Hollywood. Then these real brainy actors, who most of them are about as sharp as a marble go running their mouths in foreign countries about how bad America is. Alec Baldwin and Barbara Streisand were going to move if George Bush was elected. Hell I was willing to help them pack. Most of us guys are hard working people who believe in a dream of freedom and being whatever you want to be. A lot of us served our country in the Armed Services, fought on Foreign soil in battles that had little to do with the security of our country. I.E. Somalia and Croatia. Most of us just want happy and private lives, to love our woman, to raise our kids in an honest and just atmosphere. Just for fun, When Clinton was president I used to have a bumper sticker on my car that read "Where in the hell is Lee Harvey Oswald when you really need him. I caught a lot of flack from my liberal friends. But that's why they like me, they know where I stand and I have very little grey area. Later All Mike P.N Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2004 7:15:07 AM   I’m shocked to learn that you consider so-called “FSU ppl” to be intellectually crippled, that they make no difference between the reality and the insubstantial world of cinematography. In fact Russian ppl prefer European and Asian art-house cinema to Hollywood cin, even consider the latter to be backward, rough, not intellectual where the main impact is made by special effects. (We all know that it’s not quite true but it’s the general notion.) In any case ppl like to enjoy themselves eating popcorn and not straining their minds. From June 21-30 (2004), Moscow hosted its annual film festival. As usual, it gave Muscovites the opportunity to see more than 200 new movies, including some produced as far away as South Korea, Senegal, South Africa and Afghanistan. We have seen some of them & NOW i do not torment myself with the thought the all Americans are bloody cruel creatures who have taken to pieces the whole country Afghanistan. jjbarrier Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2004 8:09:41 AM   I think we are all suffering from the after effects of 50 years of cold war and the stereotypes that governments fed the people to keep them in line.It is interesting to see that people in Russia consider Americans to be intellectually lazy, and we don't have any reason to assume otherwise about them either, meaning their intellectual and cultural achievements are not publicized and celebrated. I am originally from Europe and live in the US now, and where I grew up there were Stereotypes about Russians as being shall we say less than cultured. "Russian engineering" for example was a phrase we used to describe a very crude repair, something that was not elegant and "text book". I think once you get to know the real people there will be plenty of surprises, and hopefully most of them will be good ones. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2004 8:48:41 AM   To nasfan6 - it amazes me, again, that so many of us inthis forum have much more in common than just our quest for Russian women. I agree whole-heartedly with everything you wrote - including the poitical views you hold. And to P.N. while you clear do not subscribe to the idea that Russian people are influenced unduly by cinematography - it is amazing how many of them I have spoken to who are. And your comments only serve to prove my second point that Russians seem to think that they understand America better than Americans do. Don't misunderstand me. While the majority of everything I have ever learned about Russian women still makes them incredibly appealing - there are some inherent and predictable negative aspects. They both seem pretty well represented in this forum. While Ptichka is delightful in every aspect of the word with her comments here. I welcome P.N. showing the other side. Man Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2004 12:34:12 PM   Jet, nasfan6, it amazes me also. I try not to get political but I liked and agree, also with nasfan6 post. As far as Russians and hollywood............I wonder if there is some truth to this. I can see how people can be influenced by the entertainment industry. When I lived in Italy I was surprized at some of the things people said to me about celebrities. It seemed as though people were curious from all the the hype that they had heard. ........Several times, in my dealing with the police there, I was asked about celebrities as if I should know these people. I know that this is not Russia that I am talking about but I dont see why it would be any different there or anywhere else. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2004 12:35:39 PM   Mike, as far as I know "Voice of America" was very popular in the times of the USSR, while it was the only sourse at least to find out that is happening in the whole world, to see the other side, opposite to the USSR's opinion, which as far as I remember, and as far as I my parents told was "we are the best, all other are the enemies. And in everything bad what happens in the USSR are foreign countries guilty"...so people just want to know another interpretation. At least it was another sourse to listen to foreign songs...other then listening to them in the dormitory and be afraid to be arrested for that!!! I still think that during the USSR's rulement "Voice of America" was a very big help for people:) Jet thank you a lot for the kind words a lot:)) It's a pleasure to share my opinions with all you here:)) nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2004 12:49:23 PM   Jet I think it is the main reason most of us are here. We hold some values that are still important to us. I also find many of the women that I have talked to on this site to hold a lot of traditional values of family, the kind of family I was raised in. My father worked, sometimes two jobs to provide for us. Mom stayed and home, took care of the domestic functions, my early education at home and discipline. We didn't have a lot of material things, but I got more than I ever needed. Love, guidance and the traditional family not the nuclear one. My parents were my role models. I gave the same to my wife and daughter. Unfortunlately the ex didn't hold the value of fidelity as something important. PN your assesment that we hold Russian people as intellectual cripples is absurd. Also not all movies made in the US are bad. Example Mel Gibsons The Passion, I put that as one of the great works in American Cinematography. The use of special effects is worthwhile as long as it's not over the top. It brings impact to a story. One that moved me was the excuse the monniker "Russian Roulette scene in the movie The Deer Hunter. Without that scene the movie would not had the impact that it did. There are some great works in American cinema, but unfortunately the American media only invokes the controversial ones. Especially ones that promote their agenda. Tom Laughlins "Billy Jack" will always be on of my favorites. By todays standards it is a rough and coarse movie, but it brought a message that still stands the test of time. What an American man should strive to be. Not to forget his heritage, fight for those who cannot fight for themselves. Life a life of peace but not be afraid to fight if need be. To love a woman in more than a sexual way. To make a mans word his bond. And the most important to accept the consequences of ones actions and the ability to own up to your actions. Also my dear PN I hold two aviators in high regard and they both will always be hero's to me. They influenced my notion of learning to fly. One was Yuri Gregarin and the other Alan Shepard. I don't see either one of those men as intellectual cripples. They were important figures in both their countries. So real America, is never really shown much in the movies. They are the people who raise their children in a honest and upright home. They have a vow of fidelity to their married partner. They run their children to sporting events. They share the same fears. After a long day at work they help their kids with school work. They nurse the physical and emotional bruises their children receive. Some are fighting a war in Iraq to free people of an oppressive dictator. What will their reward be? Nothing but a black eye from the Media elites. How soon we forget how American soldiers were dragged through the streets in Somalia. The media is more concerned with degrading our soldiers because of what happened in a prison in Iraq. So what is real America may not make for a great movie, but it sure as hell makes for a great way of life. So if I was looking for an intellectual cripple I sure as hell wouldn't be talking to the lady I am here. Who I find extremely bright and holds the same traditional values that I cherish. Who will admit she doesn't understand my culture, the same way I don't understand hers, but we are willing to learn about each others culture, but not to forget are own. To blend the positive aspects of each, but not let the moral concepts go by the wayside. I know I can be windy at times but I have a passion for life. I do not generalize cultures. And it infuriates the hell out of me when someone tries to generalize what real Americans are all about. Just like it should to the Russian people!!!! nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2004 1:00:41 PM   Dear Pitchka I appreciate what you said about Voice of America. Unfortunately years ago we didn't have forums like this here. Our media here in the States is for the most part not intellectually honest. That is what I was trying to imply. Voice of America was not intellectually honest. You my dear are talking for the most part real America here, I don't speak for all, just like I feel like with you, I am speaking to an intellectually honest Ukranian woman, or Russian women. Just like I appreciate PN's input, though I feel personally misguided at least she is bringing another perspective to this forum and I thank her for that. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2004 1:09:19 PM   nasfan6 years ago here we didn't know about things like Internet or small computers which could be set in each house...for my parents to have a computer at home and Internet is still something like a mirical, and they feel envy for my generation that we're so lucky to know things they didn't know at that time, and my parents are engineers and they worked with big computers closely:) I think it's very good when there are different opinions and different sides participate in the talk:) It makes the talk more alive like:) IMHO:) scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2004 2:53:03 PM   Mike, Regarding your liberal friends, you stated "I stand and I have very little grey area". Sure they are saying "I stand and I have very little grey matter"? :-) To all, one-to-one discussions are the only way to actually see individual points of view. We are doing that now, and should value this forum for that specific reason. P.N Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2004 3:32:18 PM   I could dwell on & on on the subject of film shooting as one of my parents used to be a cinema critic and now produces European and Russian art-house cinema. The great number of European (Italian, French, Finnish, Spanish and so on) movies r shown here & in comparison modern American film may seem to be nothing but a series of special effects. But ppl here do know what the real American cinema is. There was a channel (TV6) (that no longer exists) …so that channel showed am. movies 24/7 so ppl have the true notion of am. classical films and musicals that r by no means considered to be the word chef d’oeuvres. Do you know that after the first night of The Passion lots of ppl here came to police & confessed that they had committed some crimes. There r Russian directors who try to cope modern am. cinema & another who create so-called “intellectual cinema”. I’ll say that while i watch their movies my feelings are interfered with by my baffled effort at comprehension. Their view of life is distorted and they create for themselves… not for public. At the end of a hard day i prefer to watch something entertaining and not stuff my heard with the problems of isolated ppl who suffer from the harsh realities of the cruel word in which they live. Its difficult to understand the majority of such films since the distinction between reality and the world of imagination is blurred. As for The Passion…i left in the middle of the film and was waiting my friends in the cafe coz i just couldn’t watch all that cruel scenes scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2004 3:36:20 PM   P.N., an episode of "South Park" stated pretty the same thing. The argument the show tried to get across was utlimatley that the movie glorified Jesus's death more than his life. Myself, I have not seen it, and will just have to wait till it's on HBO/Showtime. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2004 3:37:55 AM   I didn't see the film The Passion, unfortunately, and I can't keep the subject of that film. This is because I don't have the TV-set now, and I don't have the opportunity to watch films often. I have to admit that a couple of years ago one film made one of the biggest impressions on me ever done by films, that film was "Green Mile". After that film, it seamed that my thoughts changed a great deal!!! Besides that film I can name many many good films, made in the USA, France, Italy, USSR (I'm not crazy but commedies made at the time by one of the directors were and still are the masterpieces of humor:), Ukraine...there are many many good films, and we can't say that a film made in the USA in Hollywood are worse then films made in France for example. No the films are different and that's the only thing:) scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2004 10:50:39 AM   There was a general rule in older American cinema that you have to have a happy ending, the villian get's his come-uppance, and characters are not very complicated. Current cinema does not have to adhere to those rules, but you can still sense there history in most films. In my own opinion, that is why most Americans don't experience that much foreign film. Those films don't obey the rules we have come to expects. I will say that I have come to enjoy many Asian made films for that reason. (and no, not just for martial arts reasons!) Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2004 11:02:46 AM   I also noticed that happy ending rule...sometimes it's great but sometimes it's not. OK it's my own opinion, but for me good endings are not always good enough. I love "Leon-killer" though the ending of the film is not good at all...but to my mind it's such a fascinating film, which makes to think!!! And to my mind a happy ending would oly spoil the film...IMHO. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2004 1:54:09 PM   LMAO Scott on the grey matter for Libs Not all movies adhere to the happy ending. Saving Private Ryan for example, yeah Ryan was saved but at a large cost. Not much of a happy ending there. There are exceptions to the rule. The Deer Hunter does not apply the happy ending rule. As foreign films go, I haven't seen many a few and the one's I've seen I did enjoy. But when the Cannes film festival raves about a crap movie like Fareheit 911, it makes me wonder is movies for controversy or quality film making? Pitchka I will have to try to find Leon-Killer. I myself prefer heavy films, ones that require thinking about them twice after you've seen them. I do enjoy comedies and action movies, but some of them are over the top. Two movies that I've really enjoyed were Reservoir Dogs and Blue Velvet. I'm not a Tarentino fan by any means but the first 20 minutes of dialogue between Harvey Keitel and Steve Buscemi is some of the best I've enjoyed. Blue Velvet, I thought Dennis Hopper did the finest performance of his career and got robbed out of an Oscar. His character even though its a movie is a terrifying persona of a mad man gone over the edge. Pitchka if you have some other foreign films to recomend please do so. Later All Mike Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2004 2:02:55 PM   Mike as for other foreign films I myself like films with Celentano a lot!!!:) He is very funny, though the films are rather old. I also liked "Life is Beautiful" by Roberto Benini (if I'm correct in spelling), of course French films with Pier Rishar (I'm not sure about the spelling) one of whose films "Tall blond in black shoe" is a great one:). Well it's all I can remember now, but if I will remember some more, I will write them here straight away:) Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > !
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