Toad & UB
In many ways I see this as a point of clarity for Marina and I rather than a document that will be needed for a judge. It is literally for OUR benefit.
Of course you never know!! :))
We need to be clear about what we expect and the 'protection' part of this is in many ways exactly that, clarity. Sometimes it is good just to talk and clear the air. I don't think that this is being done out of my fear more Marina's. I don't blame her. It is a serious thing to possibly take a 12 year old child, quit your job, sell your apartment and move to the other side of the world on the strength of a few emails, a couple of phone calls and the infrequent visits of a guy from a completely different culture.
I think that this whole situation begs tons and tons of understanding and compromise on both sides. Even you Toad with a situation that is a lot more cut and dried than many peoples's must be super understanding and tender to Lena's predicament when she arrives. No matter how good her language skills, this is going to be a little traumatic. And I know she's a smart, intelligent, adaptable individual. Still it begs thought.
There is a much more drama to my situation but there are similarities. This prenup is merely another piece of the puzzle to make us both more comfortable. I see this now, I did not before. A pro will finalize mine and it won't be complicated. Both her needs and mine are very, very simple. We have discussed it.
We both have deep seated fears based on past experience.
This is why in this thread I was so offended by Felicedate's attack on not just me but Marina also. He had no idea of how deep all this was running on both sides.
The fact that Marina is an attorney is neither here nor there. One would have to be pivy to our private conversations to know this. Prenup or marriage contract it is just words spoken in the best interests of both with genuine open hearts. Of course I cannot speak for someone else, maybe semantics are important in another situation but at the moment I only know about mine.
I am only glad that I didn't throw the baby out with the bath water - it was a close thing though!!
Once things settle for me I will fade from ths forum as so many others have. However I will never forget the support, varying inputs and genuine friendship that has been offered here.
Abrasive at times but genuine. :)))
Well here we go again! I fly Friday 1st July for a couple of weeks. It looks good. I can't believe we got to the bottom of a ton of this crap. Even the state of the fridge! I am looking forward to my second visit. I have a feeling it is going to be much better than the first. I shall try to avoid head injuries this time. I am taking a crash helmet.
I am really happy for you, and I hope from the heart of my bottom or whatever that it works out just fine for you and Marina. Because you have been so honest with your Forum-friends you have gained a lot of sympathy amongst the guys. I am positive most of us are really hoping you will make this work.
A simple rule.. If everything you do is for her to have a good and happy life, and if she does the same for you, you can have an amazing life together. Think of her when you are sdoing something, think about what you can do to make her life more enjoyable. If she are able to think the same way.. well.. happy marriage!
BTW.. You can borrow my helmet, just be careful with the horns... LOL
Izi,
I really really really want to be wrong on this one.
At least now you know to stay the hell away from beer while drinking vodka..:))
You both have Lena's and my best wishes.
must say I fully agree with Toad, but for the fact that I'd stay away from vodka entirely. Beer only, and moderation in any case, uhh, and I don't mean beer by the case!
Abrasive? Yeah, but coarse meets coarse sometimes. Don't borrow N()R's helmet, he's a horny git, I'd go for Glad's full-face one ;-))
Thanks everyone. I have my fingers crossed. There is only one way to find out and that is why I am doing this. If it doesn't work out I will be better prepared this time.
Thanks Spirit but you make me sound like an alcoholic. Hardly!! I spent the majority of my time in Russia stone cold sober and never touched a drop. I also got blasted once and warm to the touch several times. It is all part of lifes rich tapestry my friend.. :)) And I'll not give an inch of it up.
I did not mean to imply....what I meant to say is that there is no better tonic than being high on love. Of course I like a little buzz now and then too!!!
Talking about high.
I was under the impression that there was NO grass used in Russia. I was wrong. SPB chaps set me straight on that thought, well actually the set me bent slightly. It is a new thing though, they know bugger all about it. Sooner they learn the better. Get away from that terrible alcohol, ah izi.
Far safer and user friendly than booze. What are your ladies thoughts on the dope scene ??? Apparently its 10 years in the slammer without question for possession !!! That was what I was told in Ukraine 2 years ago.
God guys this just keeps getting worse!! Stop it for crying out loud!!
It is ok Spirit I understand. You didn't mean any offense. I like a beer my friend and a drop of vodka too. As for getting high on love I kind of know what that is like also. Some would say it is more foolhardy than alcohol.
Some and some I guess. I won't stop either not for all the tea in China.
I have had a bottle of wine tonight and a great dinner and a letter to my dad and one to Marina. Life is good. :))
I look forward to July. I understand Toad's trepidation at my situation. He is looking out for a friend and I appreciate it.
I think though that life is not perfect. You know what they say about when God gives you lemons that you should make lemonade.
I am trying to be super understanding and tolerant. There is probably going to be a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Who knows? I am going to try.
Just because they are Russian and beautiful doesn't mean they don't have the same or worse problems than American/English women. Sometimes things can turn around, it is worth trying.