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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Russian Military Occupation of Crimea Author Post durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/17/2014 2:00:57 PM   WE'VE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE From Russian writer Andrei Zubov, published in vedomosti.ru on March 1st: Friends. We are on the doorstep. We are not on the verge of introducing a new subject of the Russian Federation. We are on the verge of complete destruction of the system of international treaties, of economic chaos, and of political dictatorship. We are on the verge of war with our closest, kindred peoples of Ukraine, and a sharp deterioration in relations with Europe and America. We are on the verge of a cold, and, perhaps, a hot war with them. After all, this happened before. Austria. Starting in March 1938 the Nazis wished to round off their Reich with another German state. People were not very eager for this -- nobody was suffering infringement or discrimination. But the idea of Greater Germany made giddy the radicals -- Austria's Nazis. To put an end to the dispute about the fate of Austria, her Chancellor Kurt Alois von Schuschnigg announced for March 13 a plebiscite. But the Nazis in Berlin and Vienna did not like it. Perhaps suddenly people will be against the Anschluss? Chancellor Schuschnigg was forced to resign on March 10; in his place, the president appointed leader of the local Nazis Arthur Seyss-Inquart. In the meantine, German divisions were already entering the cities of Austria on the invitation of the new chancellor -- which he learned from the newspapers. Austrian troops surrendered. The people enthusiastically greeted the Nazis, or holed up at home in exasperation, or urgently fled to Switzerland. Austrian Cardinal Innittser welcomed and blessed Anschluss ... On March 13 the arrests began. Chancellor Schuschnigg was arrested the day before. The plebiscite held on April 10. In Germany, 99.08% voted for unification with Austria; in Austria itself, 99.75% voted to become the Ostmark of the German Empire. On October 1, 1938 the Ostmark was reunited with half-Czech Sudetenland Germany, and on March 22, 1939 Lithuana's Klaipeda region overnight turned into the German Memel. In all these lands the majority of the population really was German; many of them really wanted to connect with Hitler's Reich. Overall this reunion was held with much fanfare and shouts of jubilation from the crowds mad with chauvinistic frenzy; and it was held with the connivance of the West. "We must not deceive, and especially should not be reassuring small weak states, promising them protection from the League of Nations and the corresponding steps from our side," said Neville Chamberlain in the British Parliament February 22, 1938, "because we know that nothing of the kind can be done." And quite another Adolf Hitler spoke March 23, 1939 from the balcony at the Theater Square in the just attached Memel. Two hours before he floated theatrically on board the newest battleship "Germania" in the port of Memel: "... The Germans are not going to anyone in the world to do anything wrong, but it was necessary to stop the suffering to which the whole world has subjected Germans for 20 ... Germany, when it was resigned in disgrace and dishonor, once threw the Memel Germans adrift. Today Memel Germans ... again become citizens of a mighty Reich determined to take over its own destiny, even if half of the world is displeased." ______________________________ "Anschluss" is German for annexation. "Plebiscite" is a direct vote of the population, like a referendum or (in the US) ballot question. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/17/2014 2:49:42 PM   I didn’t get to read all of it,,, so I don’t know how real this is. http://www.voltairenet.org/article182746.html “Ukrain e: U.S. Pulls Back, Agrees To Russian Demands” durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/17/2014 5:59:57 PM   RUSSIAN MEDIA SPINS OFF INTO OUTER SPACE Two amusing news headlines: 1. Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs may demand twenty billion dollars from Ukraine as settlement of "former Soviet" debt. 2. KAMAZ, Russia's maker of super-rugged trucks, says that numerous of its vehicles on their way to a delivery in Kazakhstan were stolen in western Ukraine by Ukrainian self-defense forces, and is demanding payment. Make no mistake, when a country makes a military invasion of its neighbor in order to sieze territory, that is an act of war, whether declared or not. Russia has made war on Ukraine, and now insists on payments. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/17/2014 6:52:46 PM   RUSSIAN MEDIA SPINS OFF INTO OUTER SPACE, 2 Any of you guys read "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" or "Through the Looking Glass"? The red queen is spouting hysterical anti-logic. Two from ITAR-TASS, a major Russian news agency: 1. Russia's "business ombudsman" (WTF is that?), Boris Titov, explains that the sanctions announced today mean that the US recognizes Russia's right to Crimea. 2. Russia's deputy foreign minister describes US sanctions as a "pathological" refusal to admit reality. Wow! These guys are f*cking brilliant! lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/17/2014 7:05:46 PM   http://www.therightnews.net/john-bolton-kerry-negotiating-with-russians-like-sen ding-a-cupcake-to-negotiate-with-a-steak-knife/ It is sad to think that just a few decades ago the Soviet Union was broken up because of the tough negotiations of Ronald Reagan and a strong American foreign policy, but today we have Russia just simply walking into the Ukraine and all we have is John Kerry with a weak Obama behind him to do our bidding on the world stage. Why did Russia take Crimea in the first place and why are they threatening the eastern Ukraine with war games, troop build-ups and fighter jet flights into Ukraine airspace? It is because Europe certainly has no military to challenge Putin’s Russia and a the west has a wimpy leader in Obama who is more concerned about being a celebrity talking about his mom jeans with Ryan Seacrest on the radio than dealing with the real issues of the day. And now the former UN Ambassador John Bolton, who knows a thing or two about foreign policy, comes out and says that sending Sec of State John Kerry to negotiate with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is like, “sending a cupcake to negotiate with a steak knife.” Oh how powerless and irrelevant we must look to Vladimir Putin. Read more below from IJReview.com: Former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton has been an outspoken critic of the Obama administration’s foreign policy, but this latest comparison literally “takes the cake.” While appearing on Fox News to discuss the referendum in the Crimea to join Russia, Bolton discussed the weak sanctions America is taking against Russia: “I don’t think [the sanctions] will have much impact. I think the Obama administration and the Europeans are demonstrating weakness, these sanctions are pinpricks, and y’know we sent Secretary of State John Kerry to London to negotiate with Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov, that’s like sending a cupcake to negotiate with a steak knife.” Bolton continued to describe the collective failure of leadership in the West, which he says has ignored these threats for five years, and is now seeing the consequences of this inattentiveness. Finally, he predicts that Putin will use the Crimea to get what he “really wants, which is a government subservient to Russia.” Meanwhile, Obama is defending his wearing of mom-pants to Ryan Seacrest in an attempt to sell Obamacare to young people poppy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/17/2014 7:23:21 PM   looney ... do you have to copy and paste all your crap . everyone including russia an ukraine have google kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/17/2014 8:16:51 PM   i dont know if thats really quite right lonely,, america had little to do with the break up of the soviet union in the sense of negotiations with the west,,, that was their own demise. from their own stupidity. the only relation to american breaking up the soviet union was actually helping in bankrupting it by the silly arms race, with the added things like Chernobyl and Afghanistan taking its toll on its money reserves. from what i understand if anything american and Briton did their best to keep it as the soviet union, this is documented. thats what most of the so called negotiations was about. ok to be honest i'm not sure about the Reagan stuff you speak of,,,, my memory. but the negotiations failed in the end and the break up occurred. think about how much resources that was going into russia feeding them and other such things mostly from the US itself why before any thought of break up.. the massive amounts of aid that went into Russia during the cold war was ridicules and really contradicted the propaganda of that time.. the Wests thoughts was better having one chief to deal with instead of multiple smaller nuclear capable country's with possible many wacko jobs running the show. dont forget the west are just as good at propaganda,,, rumour has it america won WW2 yeah. what ever Russia is doing now just shows they haven't learnt one thing and still believe in the propaganda of old in some sense. this is how i have always seen it,,,,, but maybe i have it wrong. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/17/2014 8:48:06 PM   @kiwi: I concur. High officials of the Reagan administration have said in recent years about the break-up of the Soviet Union: (a) it wasn't their goal or policy (b) they didn't think it desirable (c) they didn't expect it, and were pretty shocked when it happened John Bolton is like a child's toy musical instrument: plays only one note. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/17/2014 8:58:59 PM   CRISIS HUMOR: A joke reportedly current in Odessa: Two condemned prisoners are awaiting their execution. When one says, "let's run away!" the other replies, "it'll only make things worse." Boris Akunin, best-selling Russian writer: "Thanks to his Crimea adventure, Mr Putin has guaranteed himself a life-term in office but I doubt that this term is going to be particularly long." lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/17/2014 9:11:09 PM   Maybe it wasn’t their goal to break up the USSR, but it was better than having them as the supreme super power in Europe. Look at the situation today,,, it’s from a weak, almost non-existent foreign policy. With whom were we better off with,,, Reagan or Obama? Palin, and Romney saw this coming years ago,,, and were laughed at? Bolton is right on,,,,, haven’t you two been watching the news lately??? RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/18/2014 1:13:31 AM   The outcome is likely that the future of the next generation of Crimean's will be driving a Lada as opposed to a Mercedes,,,,,,, and possibly a donkey. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/18/2014 1:29:12 AM   https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=608605852543716&set=o.2204206399&type=3 durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/18/2014 5:06:55 AM   @lonely: Great photo -- that is authentic Russia. @Rodan: I have also been trying to look ahead. In the short term, at least some Crimeans will be much better off -- specifically, old-age and military pensions will instantly grow much larger (by multiples) than they received (or could expect) as citizens of Ukraine. Of course, this helped to secure support for the referendum. And in the short term, Ukraine will have to accept harsh austerity measures to get IMF money, requiring CUTS to pensions and other benefits, while natural gas prices increase hundreds of percent, and prices of foreign goods climb as the Hryvnia settles. Looking farther into the future (maybe 10 to 20 years) ... if Crimea is permanently lost to Ukraine (as I think likely), and Russia doesn't invade the rest of eastern Ukraine (which I hope), there will be a "natural experiment" -- how do Crimeans live compared to their nearby neighbors on the Ukrainian side. If Ukraine successfully integrates with the West, and enjoys the real benefits of a modern economy, rule of law, and liberal democracy, then perhaps the people of Crimea will feel a little wistful about having left Ukraine. If on the other hand Ukraine continues as it has been, Crimeans will say "how lucky we are!" MartinPC Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/18/2014 5:44:31 AM   Quote: It comes after a referendum on Sunday in which Crimean officials say 97% of voters backed splitting from Ukraine. The EU and US have declared the vote illegal and imposed sanctions. Travel bans and asset freezes have been imposed on government officials and other figures in Russia, Crimea and Ukraine. Ukraine's interim Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk described the vote as a "circus" carried out at gunpoint. Voters were asked to choose between joining Russia or having greater autonomy within Ukraine. There was no option for those who wanted the constitutional arrangements to remain unchanged. Many among Crimea's ethnic Ukrainians and Tatars - about a third of the population - had said they would boycott the vote. The election process was widely criticised by Western leaders. Japan has also announced a set of measures "to punish Russia for intervening in Ukraine", Kyodo news agency reported. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/18/2014 1:59:23 PM   http://ukrainianpolicy.com/turkey-warns-russia-it-will-blockade-bosphorus/ “Turkey Warns Russia it Will Blockade Bosphorus if Violence Occurs” The threat to close the Bosphorus to Russia comes from a report by Hvylya, citing a Turkish diplomatic source. According to the source, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan yesterday spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the phone and warned of the consequences for conflict with Ukraine. The Hvylya source was also reported on by UNIAN Concerns were also raised about the possible threat to ethnic Crimean Tatars in the region, citing recent murders and communications with Tatar leadership. Erdogan’s call to Putin warned that if Russia invades Ukraine, and so-called ‘Crimean self-defense’ forces engage in violence against the Tatar minority, Turkey will be forced to close passage into the Black Sea to Russian ships. Extranational protection of ethnic minorities was originally used as pretext for the Russian invasion of Crimea. In a separate announcement, Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ahmet Davutoglu, said Moscow was pursing “self-willed policy” in the region and urged Russia to respect the territorial integrity of its neighboring countries. ”The security of Tatars is the main strategic priority for Turkey,” he remarked. ”Pandora’s box should not be opened. If you create a de facto situation in Ukraine, this will have a domino effect on all the countries in the Eurasia region,” Davutoglu said in televised remarks made the day of the Russian implemented referendum. While the sea-port of Sevastopol has been lauded for its strategic importance as the only warm water port in the Black Sea Russia controls, restriction to it would be a self-made prison. Russian activity in the eastern basin of the Mediterranean is dependent on this passage to Crimea, and restriction would cut off arms shipments between Russia and the Syrian port in Tartus, as as well as lucrative arms deals with Egypt. As Amatzia Baram of Haaretz writes, “for Russian President Vladimir Putin, the Sevastopol port is indirectly the key to Syria and perhaps to Egypt and the entire Mediterranean in the future.” lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/18/2014 2:03:54 PM   http://ukrainianpolicy.com/shots-fired-in-crimea/ "LIVE: Shots Fired in Crimea, 1 Dead; UKR Authorizes force Summary: Russian troops are storming a Ukrainian military base in Simferopol, and one Ukrainian soldier has been wounded and one killed in the attack. It quoted an officer at the military topography and navigation centre as saying that its commander has been captured and the rest of the troops have barricaded themselves in on the first floor of a building at the base. Ukrainian PM Yatsenyuk has called the incident a war crime. Sources indicate that all Ukrainian troops have surrendered. The Ministry of Defense has given the OK to Ukrainian troops to return fire." RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/18/2014 2:07:42 PM   Durak: What I have been harping on is that the experiment was done and effectively in the former East Germany. The East German would fight from every window and bush should the Russians come back. The fact that the U.S. was indifferent is it's failure. The proletariat is alive in the U.S. too. They fell for the same bullshit promises from Obama. The moral superiority of my father's generation is gone. With that dies the "Dream" and in fact the reality of a better life. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/18/2014 2:12:49 PM   @lonely: I hadn't seen that news item. Bravo Turkey! lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/18/2014 2:21:13 PM   RT,,,,,About a month ago, I told my ex in Kyiv that the protesters shouldn’t expect much help from the US,, that we are about two years behind Ukraine. If things continue as they are,,, especially if Hillary wins election,, we WILL have a civil war here too! Obama hates America and really wants to destroy America’s future. I wasn’t kidding when I said that BO belongs in GITMO!! lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/18/2014 2:31:37 PM   http://maidantranslations.com/2014/03/17/turkey-under-ottoman-empire-treaty-with -catherine-the-great-if-crimea-declares-independence-it-returns-to-turkey/ Durak,,,, check this one out!! "The Turkish newspaper Hürriyet reports that if the Autonomous Republic of Crimea announces its independence, then it falls under Turkish rule. This is being reported by ipress.ua with reference to Espresso TV. Based on what the author of the article wrote, this is confirmed by the agreement which was signed 230 years ago by the Ottoman and Russian empires. According to the agreement, signed by the the Russian empress Catherine the Great on April 19, 1783, the Crimean peninsula will pass from the Ottoman empire to the Russian empire. “However, one of the most important points is the clause that stipulates conditions that if the peninsula does not declare its independence then it cannot be transferred to a third party. Otherwise, Crimea must automatically be returned under the aegis of Turkey,” claims the author. He notes that in 1991, after the collapse of the USSR and the emergence of an independent Ukraine, Turkey has already had the formal right to reclaim Crimea." Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Russian Military Occupation of Crimea
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