WS - perhaps that is your experience. It certainly is not mine. I don't come "expecting it". If it happens it happens and it is consensual. Fortunately for me it happens more often than not bless your little jealous heart :-) I do hope you have better luck next time :-)
Guys for the time and money already spent, you could had invest and commit yourself to learn Russian. Attending a intro class and follow by online/ Rosetta Stone is way cheaper than getting ripoff by some evil woman. Some guys here have years and decades looking for a FSU bride! Seriously!!!
@ dcguy
"As for me, I do not expect sex until commitment is made (no matter how sexy and enticing the other person is). I also do not want to contract HIV/AIDS, STD, Herpes, Hepatitis, etc. from what is really a perfect stranger. But that is just my personal morals. If the other person is that nonchalant about her sexuality (maybe they all are in the FSU area), then I guess I need to keep looking elsewhere."....Seriously!!!
Normal guys like me, single and not committed, upon see a centerfold naked woman enticing me to take her to heaven and hell...won't hesitate a bit. And btw you can get STD's anywhere.
Cheaters.com , Maury Povich show , all those types of shows were entertaining to me long time ago when I was young and naïve, but now they make me sick. They show how far gone are people's moral values but this is nothing new.
Those women that are "a keeper" know how to act and "real men" knows how to recognize.
I am not here to preach cause a had failed to recognize and to act accordingly; and therefore, saving myself from frustrations.
About being honest on your imperfections, of course nobody starts a conversation with a prospective date or partner by pointing them out. Some of them will be evident, like the physical ones, you cannot hide them (unless you wear a wig, but then it is worse). Then when you have sex, later, another set of physical things will be reveealed.
I know my imperfections and I try to hint at them in the course of courtship so that they learn about them softly softly. In any event, you cannot hide your true character for long.
Every lady I have considered for marriage (and who considered me), I have lived with for 1 month, on a trial basis, and that was more than enough for us to learn about each other. I once lived with a girl who had such a bad character, that it was probably a personality disorder. During the third week I was asking her to leave but she refused and stayed the whole month of the trial.
Thanks for confirming that you are on of those morons. And you know that you have said yourself that you have paid for the sex every time. Like that, even you will get it.
Wifeseeker,
I do think that if you are too honest, you may not get very far in life. But I guess that if you do get that information after spending time and money with the other person via dates/trips, etc., you feel like you wasted your time and effort.
You asked her to leave and she refused? Sounds like a bit of desperation (or wanted to continue getting the dating benefits for the entire trial period). Everyone wants a free meal ticket.
No, she was honest, she came from a relatively well off family, she did not need my money and I was not lavishing with expensive presents or outings. I knew she was honest but troubled thanks to my trial period, that was the reason for it.
On the contrary, spending a bit of time, money and effort getting to know the person on a trial period will save you a lot of money and trouble later on.
Just an personal observation about online dating. On the female side, they say that they look for man with an acceptable "inner world" (AKA personality, character, etc.)and say that the "outer world" (AKA age, status, income, appearance, etc.) does not matter. On the male side, they only see the ladies "outer world" and do not get to know the "inner world" until much later. I think we have a dichotomy here.
The relationship can break apart on the women's side when the "outer world" becomes an issue when they said at the beginning that it should not matter. The relationship can break apart on the man's side when the "inner world" of the lady turns out to be something that cannot be tolerated. So both parties become too overly accommodating with each other at the beginning and not fully realizing those other issues until they creep up later.
It obviously is best to take trial time to live with each other as WIFESEEKER has mentioned. But, not everyone is free to travel all of the time and take long vacations like retired people. For example, notice that the cruise vacation brochures mostly show older people on their photographs on board the ship? Where are the young adults?
For the ladies in the young 20s age group, then are the only viable men are those in that same age category? Then, how many young men can spend months abroad and spend big amounts of money dating when they have a load of student loan debt? Even the young graduates from medical and law schools don't have the time and financial resources to do international dating. The honest ladies in the early 20s age group really don't stand much of a chance in terms of foreign dating.
Well in that case we agree that girls under 25 should stay at home. Girls 25-29 are OK, if they show maturity and have been married and/or had children.
I do not see any problem learning about each other's inner world if you cannot travel and stay together for long periods of time. That is what the dating site messaging service, email, Skype, Facebook, telephone and even snail mail are for. Give it time and you will learn about each other.
The girl I am communicating with, we exchange at least one message every day even if it is just to say: how has your day been?
Many of the early 20s aged ladies look like very nice "trophy wives". ;) It is shame that a very honest one with simple expectations would be "blacklisted" by foreign men and not be given a chance for a new life elsewhere and would have to wait many years later to be considered, if at all. But since so many of them are probably immature, the honest and more "mature" ones will be treated in the same manner. But I guess life is sometimes not fair.
The girl who is 28 who I am communicating with has never been married nor has children and had expected to have been married by 25. Now she sees each year pass and she is getting anxious about having a family. I told her about our age difference and how many others have said that a large age gap is unrealistic and is more reasonable when both parties are much older (both >40). I even browsed some male profiles on the dating sites and came across several attractive men in the US and Europe. They were closer to her age, were much more physically closer to her dimensions and ethnicity, and some had a high income and some lived close to her country near the coast. So I felt that they would be more desirable to her. She replied that she can look for men on her own and has already found what she was looking for.
You are worrying too much about the competition. If the girl likes you, she likes you and she is not going to be looking around once she makes up her mind. Women are different from men on that, they can only love one man (even the unfaithful ones).
I have a bit of a dilemma but it proves that age does not define maturity or intelligence as if it was the number of rings in a tree trunk defining the age of the tree: I am talking to 2 ladies:
One is the 29 year old. She works as a supervisor in a supermarket. She is sweet, good natured and attractive but she speaks little English and she does not have much to say either. I struggle to keep the conversations going with her. By her own admission, she is a simple girl but good.
The other ones is...25 (ouch) hopefully 26 soon. She is very beautiful and intelligent, she has finished her law studies and now works in a law firm. She speaks English very well and has an amazing sense of humour and brilliant attitude. She removed her profile in the site where I met her and told me she did it for me, jokingly.
Now, by my own criteria, I should just say sorry to the 25/26 year old and go for the 29 year old, but the reality is I have a much better chance of having a fun and 'clever' relationship with the 26 year old. Plus the latter has a far better chance of developing a good life for herself in the UK. The 29 year old will be a burden while she learns English and could end up as a cashier in a supermarket. The 26 year old could land a job in the professions and will have no trouble coping with daily life, like understanding the phone bill.
I think I have a little of what you are experiencing. I am also corresponding with a 34 year old lady who knows no English and is a bit of a struggle to write things to talk to her about. She told me that I was the best male profile that she would consider at this point and her best chance. She is a bit desperate about having a family given her age and maybe hinted that something was "wrong with her" because she had not yet married. She seems like a practical homemaker type (she designs clothes for a living).
The younger 28 year old knows English pretty good and has been in the USA back as a teen. Although she did not go to college, she loves to read a lot and to learn about other countries culture. She is originally from Eastern Russia and moved to Ukraine after her parents divorced. It is easier to discuss many things with her and she is grateful that we found the chance to meet online.
I don't expect if I do bring someone from overseas to begin working here that fast. Of course, if children should enter the picture, that would further delay a working career.
Many times a girl will remove her profile from a site because of disappointment in the responses she has received. She will continue to correspond with the one or two who responded to her out of politeness but she has no serious intentions of developing a relationship.
Someone like that will have no trouble excelling in her profession in her own country. She was looking for her prince, just didn't find him. I wish her good luck.
Again WS dangling the carrot of the UK trying to get dates.
I am going to try out the "overfished pond" in Kiev and Odessa as mentioned in the "Russian Bride Guide" book. I am going to test out corresponding to just a small number of ladies - one in Odessa, 24, brunette, sexy figure, a knockout, two in Kiev - one is 28 and other 31, both blondes, one is an interpreter and the other an architect. All three ladies have some English knowledge. This will provide a little contrast from the other ladies in central Ukraine who I have been corresponding with for a few months. Since they are in the major city area, I will see how different they are from the ladies in the smaller cities. If any of them try to "sqeeze" anything out from yours truly, then I will not continue to communicate with them. One of the current ladies that I am corresponding with is now in Odessa going to a friend's wedding and to enjoy the Independence day celebration in the city.
"We need to get this mentality out of people's heads that they "must" be with someone. Be with someone that you love for who they are. That you would be with, no matter what they looked like, and who you would give unconditional love and support to."
Quote taken from a discussion upon hearing about the problems with celebrity marriages.
I don't quite get how we relate to celebrity marriages; their marriages are purely PR exercise. We have no peers or press to answer to, except those who spend their time worrying about what people in the street may say about a short bald guy walking with an attractive blonde in high heels. I say they can f-off.
I was not comparing marrying with FSU ladies with celebrity marriages. The quote was meant to focus on the words "must be with someone". Would not it rather ironic if your "soulmate" died several centuries ago?
I did not get this: "Would not it rather ironic if your "soulmate" died several centuries ago?" :-)
Well, I agree you do not have to be with someone, especially if you do not want to! Some people, like LONELY, are better off on their own especially when they are mentally ill.
However, for those who want someone to share their life with, there is certainly going to be one among the billions of people on this planet. Now with the Internet you can dig in places as far away as Vietnam for your loved one.