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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Man age to: Author Post TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 4:14:26 PM   Thank you Olga :o) I have very strong views on this matter, I think Pre-Nups are vile, and I have No respect for anyone who would ever hand one to a prospective partner (female or male it goes both way !!). "Yes, I understand that there's no widespread use of prenups in FSU countries" Thats right, they are a Dirty western "vulture culture" thing !!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------- No woman can ever take from any man more than 50% of what they have as a couple, if she is a housewife then by f*ck she has earned half by looking after your home and cooking, cleaning and washing your dirty undies !!! Where this BS comes from that she took it all I don't know !!! It isn't possible, unless the guy was dumb enough to sign a Pre-Nup giving it all to her !!!!!! If you marry a woman then you hand her 50% of everything you have, if you are selfish and greedy and don't want to do that, then Don't get married !!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ "Pre-nups are the one and only way to protect men against abusive legslation" Exactly !!!! It isn't to protect the woman at all !! And any man who claims it is is a bare faced liar !! I rest my case !! -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- "But I don't understand one thing...when a man gets married with a woman from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus (actually it doesn't matter from where now) he wants that because she is not western kind, and not western behaviour, but when you want her to sign the pre-nup agreement, you want her to act like a western woman." Here here Ptichka, another gem from our Ukraine department :o))) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- "Do western women also speak about morals when refusing to sign the contract????? Oh sorry the pre-nup agreement?????" No honey, don't correct yourself, you were absolutely right the first word you used !! Contract !!! Takes all the pleasure and enjoyment out of the word Love doesn't it ?? !!!! Well it damn well does for me !!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------- "And marriage is the most significant money contract you will ever enter in your life." Utter twaddle !! Marriage is about, Love, support, care, sharing and being a family, it has sod all to do with cold hard cash !!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- "Read Pitchka's story of her 'married friend with no money' on the other thread " Whats the point ?? There was Never a Pre-Nup written that protected the one with No money, No Pre-Nup would have changed whats happened to Ptichka`s friend because He would have had it drawn up and she wouldn't have had a say in it, other than to say "f*ck right off I'm not signing that or marrying you !!!!" A marriage is a journey of ups and downs and suprises, who in hell wants a contract laying out what the rules are before it even begins !!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ "I hate all guidelines as to the way to act......" And so you should Ptichka, and I bet GLT wouldn't be too happy if some woman he thought loved him suddenly shoved a book of rules and regulations under his nose 3 days before their wedding either !!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- Here here Del` !! My views exactly, as attested above !! :o)) ensata Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 4:37:07 PM   Tim,, I couldn't agree more with all of your, and Oitchka's points. My language may not be as laden with words from the French language as yours, but I would be no less emphatic. TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 8:32:18 PM   LOL Thank you Ens, always the gentleman you are :o))) Lucy is a very lucky girl :o) And I amlost said she was Lucy ! Lucy is ver Lucy :o)) TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 8:32:55 PM   And I hope my outburst didnt offend you, but I feel Very Very strongly on this issue !! ensata Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2004 9:45:42 PM   Strong feelings (based on moral convictions) well spoken are powerful and often neccesary. Keep up the good preaching Tim, you can fill my pulpit any day! (are you available Sunday July 11th?) GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2004 2:07:09 PM   While you two (TimH & Ensata) kiss each other's 'heads in the clouds' butts, I will continue to preach common sense and fanancial responsibility to anyone who wants to have a better chance at a succesful marriage life in any western country living under a capitalistic economic system. Claiming money is not an essential tool of marriage or even daily life makes you look naive, at best, and reckless and irresponsible at worst. Only people who are too lazy or unqualified to create it demonize money. Timh, you claim: "Marriage is about, Love, support, care, sharing and being a family, it has sod all to do with cold hard cash !!!!..." How in the world do you suggest to support, care and provide for your family if you do not have MONEY and the basic skills to manage it prudently??????? Begging maybe? Government support? Pimping your pretty russian wife? Why in the world do the vast majority of FSU women want men from the west to have a stable financial position? Are you two planning to feed your brides with love and emotional support? You won't have to worry about them getting fat, that's for sure, lol.... Contrary to popular belief, marriage is not a romantic trip....it is the most important financial contract anyone will ever sign in his, her lifetime...with romance thrown into the mix, which may or may not die or evolve. Refusing to acknowledge the financial aspects of marriage is blatantly negligent, utter stupidity and the worst type of advice to give to anyone...AMEN, damn it. slowgu Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2004 2:27:57 PM   Gee. I was hoping to bring one over, every 2 years and pimping them out, so I wouldn't have to work. You have totally ruined my dreams with this romance crap thrown in, GL. ;)) TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2004 2:38:12 PM   And Im so bored with this dull subject Im butting out of these two threads, they only serve to p*ss me off !!! Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/15/2004 4:05:40 AM   GLTALLTOAD I see that the conversation becomes a useless one...but I wanted to make some remarks... "Why in the world do the vast majority of FSU women want men from the west to have a stable financial position?" And do you know when women from here mean when speak about stable financial position??? The majority has in mind, a work (from which you won't be fired at the first occasion and which brings enough money to buy food - not luxury but nessesary things) to buy food, to pay for public utilities, sometimes to buy something new from clothes, and sometimes to go out, to live without the need to save each coin....this is what a stable finanicla situation for the majority for women here, of course there are other women for whom simple life is something from another area. But don't you think that a woman who agrees to sign the pre-nup agreement has in mind to get divorced as soon as it will be possible to get the money and she will make you to ask for the divorce, so to be a "victim"....didn't you think about this opportunity??? nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/15/2004 4:36:03 AM   Final thought on this matter and I'm out of here. If you were willing to give a woman 100% of your heart and she gave you 100% of hers, isn't she entitled to 50% of something? What I bring to the table she can have, because what I willing to give is my heart and that's more valuable than any material thing you can buy. There's alot of hypocrisy in divorce, but even more with a pre-nup, is just a recipe for a relationship disaster. idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/17/2004 3:19:16 AM   If you are married you hand a woman 50% everything you have. In Australia tim it is up to 70% of what you own and I may have worked 20 years to get that and you think that she desreves it for maybe 2 years of washing your undies? I will always didagree with you here tim no matter how big you soap box is. There are other ways to protect yourself, at least in Australia. If I was on your side on this one, I should just go and sell my $500,000.00 house and give it to my X for 18 month marriage, after I paid for her to live in Russia for 12 months, paid for a ticket, Visa and niw she has a life in Australia by her self. I gave her 100% but she gave me deception. If you are married for a long time and you acumulate wealth together, that is a different matter but just to blindly hand over 5o% the day you marry is just plain stupid. Also, if you have children it is different. But sorry tim, to say that you hand over half or do not get married, come into the new melenium my friend. Broken hearts mend, but to break your lives collective wealth, if she has not helped to create that wealth is stupid as it affects all parts of your life. idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/17/2004 4:17:19 AM   And tim, marrage is a morral contract, it is a legal document which will work for most women and against most men. I myself think that the thought of signing a pre-nup is very problematic and have also been advised that they are not really that good. crashnsplash Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/17/2004 6:53:39 AM   Laws are laws and theres really nothing any of us are going to do about it. If any of you are so paranoid about what you have then in my opinion you have no business even thinking about marriage. Live a long and healthy life alone, or better yet just find a bloodsucker where you live and save yourself alot of time and hassle. Jeez what a bunch of paranoid people. Also what a turnoff for any Russian lady that may be able to read this stuff. Go ahead bash my comment if you want but its reality in my view. I have alot to lose too but I'm not going to analyze "what if" until my head spins off my body. Enough is enough with this pre nup bullshit. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/17/2004 11:56:01 AM   Crash, Prenups are not bullshit. But have surely brought up significantly emotional responses here todate. I'm sorry to see you are also in denial of what they represent. I have a conciliatory idea for everyone to consider, lol... Approach your ladies and tell them that because we want marriage to be about love, not money, we will give away every damn material possesion you have and we will marry them 'pennyless'....:)) I would expect quite a few BOING!! sounds as western male are being hit on the side of the head by their frying pan wielding FSU brides. ..........."If you were willing to give a woman 100% of your heart and she gave you 100% of hers, isn't she entitled to 50% of something? What I bring to the table she can have......blah blah blah..." The above comment makes me wonder if there are really that many men alone, who have money but do not have anyone in their lives to share it with? No relatives to help out? No elderly parents to support? No charities to which to contribute? Those of us who do, see these things as responsibilities that must be protected, not for our benefit alone, but for the welfare of the ones we love and who depend on us. Does my willingness and desire to have a woman and a new family in my life obligate me to negate the financial responsibilities I already have?????...Such nonsense!! Pitchka, I understand your point. However, the gaps between the current quality standards of living between FSU and the west are so opposite that merely moving to the west is a change to 'luxury standard' from what any FSU person has to enjoy today. You do not see many western men applying for residency to work in FSU countries, these days, do you? Because in general, western men do not want to lower their standard of living. Please understand also that not every western man is in the same financial situation. Our capitalist economic system is based on individual performance, not collective. Therefore the results are different for everyone. For example, Two doctors graduating from the same school, the same year and who specialize in the same brand of medicine 10 years later will have completely different levels of financial success because each took advantage of different opportunities presented to them. On the same note, each individual is responsible for the obligations he/she assumes to help and provide for others. And, NO to your last question. A woman signing a prenup agreement means, among many other things, that she recognizes that some or all of the material things and assets accumulated prior to marriage by her husband do not belong to her. you can also use it to describe in details the responsibilities the man will assume to provide for her new wife. But if you take two young people who do not have much in the way of money, assets or inheritance, except their love for each other and mutual dreams/plans of a future together, a prenup is useless and I would not support it in anyway shape or form... This last weekend, I spent a few hours reading about the evolution of marriage throughout the centuries in different cultures.....I assure you that I am not happy with the current laws of our society that have devalued marriage to an almost worthless event in the life of a person. Dale E Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/17/2004 1:11:59 PM   Come on GLT, Give it a break! Believe me, Everyone understands your view on this topic. I think everyone has also posted on this subject. But it is becoming pure T-O-R-T-U-R-E. TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/17/2004 1:51:43 PM   My soap box has been burned on this thread, I wont be arguing one way or the other on this issue as I have made my points already and intend to stand by my own convictions, as each of us is entitle to, and will do on all issues :o) End of my input to this thread. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/17/2004 5:00:21 PM   Dale, Pitchka had the last question with something nobody else had asked before....Can't leave a lady hanging at the edge of her seat anxiously waiting for an answer, can we, lol? Other than that, I'm pretty much done as well...be well, laugh often crashnsplash Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/17/2004 5:10:01 PM   Well not denial GL. I guess I just have never been screwed over like that. I guess its just something I dont want to think about. I'm done with this as well =) GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/17/2004 5:12:42 PM   I rest my case, lol...:) TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/17/2004 6:22:09 PM   Dunno about "resting cases" ;o)) Mine are still warm from my last trip, and about to be packed for the next one :o)) Russian brides > Main Forum > Man age to:
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