You're so sensitive...
I'm not sorry for hurting your feelings with my posts.
Somehow I think you knew you'd get this kind of reaction.
It's been a year or so since the first time I chatted with Elena and we began our friendship.
We plan to meet early in March to celebrate Woman's Day.
After researching high and low the best way to get to Tyumen is to fly and meet in Ekaterinburg for a couple of days then train to Tyumen for the rest of the time.
Before and after finding this adorable creature, I have written, chatted with or talked on the phone with over 300 FSU women from this and other sites.
Every man here is entitled to blaze his path to a happy relationship any way he deems proper.
Some favor the socials.
some spend mini fortunes buying addresses from various and somewhat dubious websites.
Some saturate their time and attention on only one woman.
Some, like me, do a shotgun approach and patiently let the chips fall where they may over time of communicating, talking and listening.
Some others do all of the above.
What I have never done, never do and never will is waste one second of my precious life dreaming up, planning and executing a campaign to demonize any particular woman who may have had little or no interest in me except for whatever gifts or charities she may have tried to get from me, regardless of nationality.
I have more than enough female attention locally, so the concept of traveling to FSU or any other country just to get laid is like chinese to me.
And I simply do not believe that the higher, complex and long term goal of finding a suitable bride can be achieved ONLY by jumping on a plane and showing up at her door step with a big "Ta daaaaa...Heeerrreeee is Todie!!!"
As important as the personal meeting is, it is not the only or most important thing. But it is, however, the one thing that will seal the deal in the END..(or break it.)
There are a gazillion pieces of information that need to be exchanged, dicussed, argued, compromised and eventually agreed upon between me and my potential bride before it makes sense for me to make this trip to meet in person....
And there'll be a gazillion more after the first time we meet, I'm sure.
Aussie, blaze your path any way you choose, but please lay off the "I got scammed, my country inmigration laws suck and nobody loves me except for my wallet" whining song.
This site has had to many versions of it already.
I don;t really care about getting attention. Its not about getting attention..its about posting advice and experiences..these forums.
You need to be careful when dealing with FSU women and marriage agencies.
You need to do your research..don't let your time and effort be wasted by scammers and at the same time don't waste a real womans time and your time if immigration is going to too difficult or you are not willing to go through with it.
Many pitfalls and traps in finding a FSU bride.
Its different from when I first did this 15 years ago and then it took me 2 years with a marriage agency to find my first wife.
I think now days, finding a FSU bride on the internet is a lot more riskier.
You've got fake women..you've got real women with fake intentions..its a minefield out there and those that do find an FSU women that is honest and real are in the lucky minority.
You dont hear many success stories in Australia about FSU brides and marriages and the media here has tarred this whole business as a scam and immigration look at FSU women as economic refugees with doubtful intentions until proven otherwise..its a long, difficult , expensive and arduous process to go and meet and FSU women and hope shes honest and then get her into this country.
These are the real facts for Australians.
My point exactly, the internet is too false thus falls down your excuse of hiding behind your keyboard for 6 months.
I think the Americans call it 'low hanging fruit', there's plenty of it in FSU, no reason to hide behind your keyboard, go pick your fruit from the tree rather than just looking at it in the shop windows!
Please stop talking about Australia this, Australia that, I am, and seemingly others, bored with it now. If finding a lady from FSU is not for you then so be it but please stop complaining about how hard dome by you are.
Ive had enough of this forum..said what I have to say.
RW guide posts a better forum about anti scam advice.
People in here advocate ( I will use the analogy of an FSU women being a shotgun ) to play with the shotgun before checking to see its loaded and then blowing there heads off and then the damage is done.
To my sh*t and crap in here.
Say no more because Im out of the FSU bride search for good now since I cut ties to all women in the last month from there.
Ive got a local girl.
FSU Mail order brides..its crap.
It is mostly scam.
Few success stories maybe but many stories about failures and disaster.
Someone fell in love with a picture and tried to chat her up via remote. He did so by mailing her posts over a period of half a year. Being in love he was impaired to act with either reason or guts. Also his jealousy got the best of him, a nasty character treat in any case, but especially so for someone so far removed from him. Without having real proof, or guts to say Bye and look elsewhere, he seeks reassuring help elsewhere. When that fails, because he's corrected & reprimanded on many points, he tries to justify his reasoning by hiding behind for him maybe valid red-tape - which he was aware of from Day 1. Then, coincidentally, he gets laid with a girl next door. Next he then leaves the Ru-scene and is happy forever after.
ohhh... I am so angry at all the Russian females...
ohhh... everybody is stupid...
ohhh... I am the only one that understand this...
ohhh... I think everyoone here is a looser...
ohhh... she is a scammer, because she didn't like my mouth with the smile upside down :( ohhh... I am so clever, I have answeres to it all...
Finally OHHH I AM REALLY IRONIC AUSSIE!!!
My father always said; When more than 50% of the people you speak with seem stupid, you have to put the finger to the ground yourself and ask some questions...
You are free to see your girl next door Aussie, it will save you a lot of money. I don't think it will last long if you have the same attitude with her as you are showing us, but that's another story..
You cannot seriously condemn a whole part of the world because the girl didn't like you, or because she might got fed up waiting for you to be serious.. Think man, if you never get to see the girl, after a while the excitement and the curiosity will dissapear a little every day, same thin with the girls. If it is too far from Australia to Russia, well, forget it!!! It is about being realistic as well man! I for myself is very selective according to cities, and flight distance. I am lucky, only 2,5 hours to Moscow, 1 hour to Tallin, 2 hours to Kiev.. But man, be realistic! There is also a lot of nice blow up things in latex these days, and you know what??? They don't need a visa!
I dont need a FSU girl. This was a thing that did not work out so I will bury it and move on.
With the comments made by people in here, no wonder many men are reluctant to post scam reports at all and would rather forget about it.
With forums like this the scammers will keep on scamming and never be reported.
Everyone does there own thing and for some it works out and for others it does not.
I would not recommend this forum to anybody.
For some the FSU bride thing works..for others we end up with scammers.
I have not condemned the FSU countries at all..for some men they do find somebody thats true.
I never condemned Russian brides..the media here has done that long ago and they have a bad name here..the story was pretty one-sided though and portrayed the man as the victim and the scamming brides never spoke and were too afraid to speak so the complete story was not known...like a lot of things media over dramatizes stories but they succeeded in tarring them all..that did not stop me having a try at the thing for 9 months ( I wrote to about 12 FSU girls ) and I just had bad luck with it and choose not to continue.
Some Australians do this and succeed of course..a lot dont.
I know a couple that did succeed but it was by no means easy...he had to wait 12 months for the fiancee visa to be issued and he had to change jobs to meet the requirements ( 3 months of prison officer training and then permanent night shift work )
I just paved the way to do it right...to do your research and preparation beforehand before committing to this FSU mail order bride thing because its a long haul to finish it and succeed in getting her here.
I just ended up with the wrong type of girls from the FSU..must be just bad luck.
It can be done and all I said was Australians need to do there research because it takes a lot more work to succeed.
Ive chosen not to do this thing anymore and move on.
Oh I did send a nice letter to the Kiev girl and said goodbye and goodluck and she replied in kind and wished me to have success in finding someone in my own country and contact then terminated.
I was also writing to another girl from Kharkov ( I think she was true..the only one at the more realistic age of 34 ) and I sent her a friendly letter and told her I was no longer interested in finding a woman from the Ukraine and marriage and I wished her the best in life and good luck and terminated contact after 2 months and 8 letters.
Im not the ass-hole other guys in this forum make me out to be.
This is the last post by me as I wish to bury the thing in the past now after 2 weeks.
I have never advocated "dont get involved with an FSU women" and my advice is have a good think about it so that you dont waste your time, your money and the womens time too..research it beforehand and be prepared and committ to the whole thing if all is okay.
I had plans to go and find a wife in the Ukraine and I was serious about marriage and spend two months there but it did not work out.
Some of you Euros, judging by your attitudes don;t go to the FSU to find a wife..you go there to get a F*CK with no committment..hence the multiple trips.
If your serious, you can do it in one trip and spend a couple of months with her but it takes a long time to find a true girl.
F.ck em and leave em type blokes in here!
Its easy for a guy from UK ( maybe 100 pounds to go to Ukraine ) and get a f.ck or for a 100 euro for a guy from Norway for the same thing.
I wanted to find a wife but it never worked out in the contacts I had ( I think 1 out of 12 may have lead to something serious but I chose to quit and not develop it further ).
Wish you guys in here goodluck with whatever you do!
For future men who want to post. If you were scammed or the women was not honest and you knew..dont bother posting it..keep it to yourself and bury it and treat it as one of lifes lessons..its useless to report things..you get canned for your trouble in here.
Goodbye and goodluck.
I hope the guys in here do find a nice and true FSU women to marry but if you are in this forum, then you are having problems!
You are so out of line Aussie it isnt even funny.... Your not even A blip on the radar after that post...... Good luck with whatever you do, good luck to the lady that gets inflicted with you too. I hear Aussie girls are looking for anything other then theyre own men too... Hmm now we know why.
But I don't think money is the issue here, If you are ready to marrie a FSU woman, you really need to be financially secure. If you live in Australia, Norway, USA, UK or wherever, it will still cost a lot of money to go through the prosess.
You are right in some aspect Aussie, there are some scammers out there, and every one should appreciate a scam-warning, but yours was not a secure one. You wrote about what you were thinking she was doing, not what you knew she was.
And you said: After 8 months of letters she suddenly stopped for a month... honestly, if I had to write someone for 8 months, and still there was no meeting in close future, I think I also would have lost some interest in the person. You say she never asked for money... The truth dear Aussie, If I put my self in her shoes, I think she got tired of waiting for something to happen. I can be wrong, but 8 months? I am not that patient! I feel already after 2 or 3 months that I am loosing interest, but if I meet the woman I am sure I can keep it going much longer. There is no hard facts in your post that tell this woman is a scammer, you say it yourself, -"she did not ask for money". You are upset because she seemed busy writing, of course she is writing more men, it is pretty naiv to believe you are the only one, and why should she not? I would also find more people to write with if it took 8 months and more.. Sorry, I think the reason was that she lost interest in you. Unfortunately it took too long, she got cold during the time and found something more interesting. This is what I think, not what I know... And this is also why you felt this Forum so hostile, because you are not able to step back a little and view it from another point of view. In stead you found your Bazooka and pulverized this woman and her reputation.
Am I wrong?? I don't think so...
Am I hostile?? I don't think so...
Pretty interesting post by Aussieman in the past. He always finds a girl at home, but is always looking at the FSU. Sorry Aussieman you can't find a serious in one trip. You can find scammers by thinking you can find one in one trip. Serious women will take time to think about relocating.
Nasfan..this is funny posting for me to read. I always wondered how long some guys have been here. Some posters
I am familiar with, others I guess have moved on....this is 3rd time I have read about auussieman saying good bye to forum. This one was 3 years ago...guess he has trouble remebering what he has said....and after all this time has never set foot anywhere near FSU and of course...has much advice for everyone.
You're cracking me up :) Aussieman's most recent topic, circa 2008, was to hire a detective to check-out the lady(s) before he steps outside of his front door.
Focking hell, shall we have her gift wrapped also? He wants a 'signed, sealed, delivered' package before he leaves his living room but that ain't ever going to happen, as any experienced guy knows cyber communications, detectives or whatever mean nothing if the two people can't get along when they actually meet face to face.
Roll on Aussieman in year 2011, what cr@p will he be spouting then and what excuses will he then have for not having gotten on a plane?
Your post is timed at 1852 and mine is timed at 1922, I think you guys call it 'military time', however I did respond to your post rather than pre-empt it :)
Aussieman has no problem, despite being a mere 5' 2" 'shorty', getting out of his front door to Mc'Donalds or KFC (that was one reason for not travelling to FSU, no KFC or Pizza Hut :) but expect him to travel internationally ..... forget it!