Wm and Martin say good points.
Wm – the problem with some men is they can not write letters correctly. They do not have the ability to qualify or get a correct handle on whom they are communicating with. So the best they can do is make contact with many and then GO and meet “face – face”
Unless we are fluent in Russian – just going there and meeting would be VERY difficult – but not impossible if you have the time and $$$$
I know 100% I can fully understand and draft out the good from the bad within a couple of letter communications with any FSU lady. Perhaps it come from been slightly pessimistic and over cautious ????
For those of you that don’t know – I am one of the 10 or so that Wm mentions above. I am so happy with my Lena and our relationship is getting stronger every day. Lena has been 4 months in NZ now and today is our anniversary of our meeting online. I spent 2 years looking prior to this and then found her.
So guys – trust me – it is worth it in the long run. Be patient and keep your brains out of your pants and you will be rewarded with a women with priorities in order of your liking and the only thing materialistic – will be her cloths fabric !!!
Maxirat...it's great to hear that things are well with you and Lena. Once my Lean arrives and we get the paperwork sorted out so she can travel freely, she wants to visit NZ. She was stunned to find out that all the scenery in Lord of the Rings was actually in NZ. She thought the scenes were done in a studio. Now she constantly speaks about our vacation to NZ.
thanks for your post. The ‘’get yourself out there and stop looking through the window’’ attitude is understood, however all I am saying is that I would love to see established a dating site of ladies that felt strongly about foreign relationships, the type that are angered by all the scammers because they are discrediting them, the genuine women, so that after corresponding and getting to know each other and assessing our compatibility over a period of time my ‘flight’ out there will be considerably more realistic and closer to its true purpose, of finding that special someone, not finding another story to tell of wasted time, money and effort.
I think my request for a 100% genuine FSU dating site of women genuine in every sense of its definition, is perhaps not likely going to materialise any time soon, maybe in another 10-20 years and then we’ll look back and say ‘’I don’t know how I put up with it?’’
said he didn’t care how an agency comes up with the girls, as long as the contact info is for real, well I couldn’t agree more….i guess that’s the first step in the right direction to an all star site.
Yes you can ‘’go out there’’, yes I know ‘’there are scammers everywhere’’ in the world, lets stop repeating the obvious and try and work towards an attitude that reflects the importance of what we are trying to achieve, marriage and happiness! If you go on a plane, you want to know that everything has been done to ensure its safe and proper to fly, in fact you expect it, if your crossing the ocean you want the captain to have the necessary experience and knowledge/expertise to take you safely across, if your in a restaurant you want to know the food your eating is safe and meets the proper standard……….why should these standards and level of integrity be any different for the pursuit of love specifically through a dating agency? Sure there are ups and downs in the pursuit of love in general just as you may get sea sick e.t.c however at least everything would be in place, when you go, there she is, as you realised in her profile photo, her character comes across just as it did in her letters to you, she does live here, she really does work/study there e.t.c
I’m just tired of hearing the equivalent of I got food poisoning from such and such a place and then hearing yes me too, me too….. so when are you going back?
As if it wasn’t difficult enough.
Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! Hold on fellas. My post is being misinterpreted more than on online English to Russian translation:) It has turned into a stereo-type generalization/homoginization of ALL Russian women. When I wrote about all the fake profiles/correspondence I was referring only to BABES. Remember, as I've repeated in previous posts in other threads, there are two completely different universes: BABES and Non-babes.
The "vast majority" of ladies on most websites are completely legitimate and any correspondence to a NON-babe is almost certainly authentic. However, by the same token the "vast majority" of you guys (myself included) are only interested in the small percentage of "BABES."
Since very few of the attractive women on a website are legit there isn't nearly enough talent available to satisfy the demand. Therefore, the only way these affiliates can really make any money is to fake the letters. The ironic part is that if you are one of the few interested in the non-babes there's really no need for an agency either. All you need to do is walk down the street and nine out of ten plain-Janes in the FSU would jump at a chance to date a decent western guy.
Do you really believe that one dating site can cover the FSU taking into consideration the size of the FSU.
So many of these ladies do not have internet access nor can they afford the services of a cafe or an agency. Let us say that 'your' genuine agency was based in Moscow, how would a village girl from the pacific coast or a lady from Uzbekistan, as examples, hear about it.
It would be like any business, it would start out small and with the best of intentions but as it grew 'quality control' would suffer, there wouldn't be the resources to check-out every lady joining and then it would be just another agency the same as there are already.
There is no need for quality control to suffer, if i was an agency based in Moscow and an agency in Uzbekistan e.t.c wanted to post the local women on my site, it would be on the strictest of conditions that the agency in Uzbekistan would have to undertake the necessary checks (of which I have already mentioned) before they would be accepted on my site, not just a simple request ''hi I’d like to join your agency'', ''sure just sign here'' done. I would have less girls per week (because of these stringent check ups slowing the process)on my site, but ''BABE'' or not, they would have gone through quality control, respectfully speaking, and clients would be left with a safer more realistic and down to earth correspondence with women who were genuine, and who held no other agenda other than relationship and happy marriage.
Think about it, country girl or not , an agency in the middle of nowhere can provide just as much proof of i.d documentation e.t.c of a girl wanting to join theirs and ultimately 'Moscows' site, as in the 'Big City'. Do you disagree? Ask a ''Scammer'' who wants to join an agency to bring along her passport, NI number, utility bill, professional references, e.t.c (which any girl, country or not, could provide)and see whether or not she turns up for her appointment! I predict a slump in agency applications, don't you?
So if I were a lady coming to your agency and I answered all of the questions correctly, much like a job interview, and there was nothing in my background or past to suggest that I may be of a less than honorable character, would I be accepted into your agency?
And thereafter, when men came to visit me, which of the checks you did on me would prevent me, then, from taking the man or men on the shopping trips for nice clothes, cosmetics etc?
When I first started writing to my lady I bought some translation software for my computer. You are correct. She had sent me a picture of her son and I wrote back and told her that he looks like a very handsome young man. Fortunately my translater has a translate back feature. When I checked my letter it translated into "He looks like a very pretty boyfriend". LOL If I hadn't checked that I don't think I would have ever heard from her again. After that, I told her that if she ever receives a letter that doesn't seem right or seems offensive. It is not. It is just the translater. We have had a few laughs since then over things we both have written that came out very strange. So my advice is, translation software is far from perfect. Let your ladies know this in advance.
Unless you provided me with passport, NI number, utility bill, professional references, e.t.c you would not be accepted.
Answering a few questions as you would an interview would not be sufficient enough to join my website, not like everyone else that is!
None of the proofs she would provide would stop her from being able to take men on shopping sprees, however once reported and approached, if it was decided that she was of un-genuine character, would be taken off the list and unable to return with an alias, not unless she can get fake passport, NI number, utility bill, professional references, e.t.c
So in answer to your question, 'No' if you were a lady coming to my agency expecting to join with only having to answer a few questions, you would be told to come back with the necessaries to create a credible portfolio along with the reasons why such proofs of identity was needed. Then and only then would her portfolio be created.
Bearing in mind that the vast majority of FSU nationals have never travelled internationally they might not have a passport, they will need a passport should they meet a man but they can cross that bridge when they come to it.
So a lady, living in one house with her parents and brothers and sisters is going to have utility bills in her name is she?
Your agency wouldn't even get off the ground, you would be making life too difficult, even impossible, for the most genuine of ladies and they would opt to register with one of your competitor agencies instead.
You suggested previously that at a time in the future men would wonder why we ever put up with this, well I'm not sure for how long you have been dating FSU ladies, if indeed you have started yet, but let me tell you that I set out on the venture some 8 years ago the industry was tarnished then but it is 10 times worse now, in 10 years from now it may be 100 times worse, you think you can change it, well you go right ahead and try, be my guest.
Your on-going discussion about the viability of setting-up an agency where all the women would be verified misses the point. As I've written, the vast majority of women in any given agency are legitimate because most of them are non-babes. It's easy to set-up an agency like this because there's so many plain-Janes breaking down the door to sign-up.
So yes Harmony, an agency could easily be assembled with all real, honest, and sincere ladies. The problem is MOST (not "all") men don't want to fly half way around the world and spend tens of thousands of dollars to date unattractive ladies so there's little demand. Consequently, non-babes don't even generate enough revenue to cover the cost of posting their profiles, let alone sustaining a profitable on-going business.
Agencies need attractive ladies to meet the demands of their customers. The rub is that very few women with a good degree of sexual desirability have any motivation to meet a western man. They've certainly got more interesting things to do than spend hours writing letters to Joe Blow from No Wheresville. Therefore, agencies start posting fake profiles and writing phony letters.
So the real issue is not whether an agency can be established where all the women can be authenticated, rather can such an agency survive.
I have to agree with Buff. An agency with all legit girls will be full of the average looking lady or single mom's. In the end the agency would probably starve for lack of revenue. The babes have no need to leave their country, family, and friends they love for the average foreign guy. I know because I have dated a lot of babes while over there. I shared some wonderful times with them. Enjoyed great sex with them. But when it came time to get serious they bailed out. They didn't want to leave. The babes don't need our money. They have plenty of men to sponsor them for all their needs. How do you think she is walking around with a $300 mobile phone and $200 jeans? When I go to Nikolaev in March I will visit a few agencies and put this theory to the test. I have printed out about 6 profiles of the hottest girls I could find. I'll let you know how many turn out to be serious.
Precisely why the anastasia tours are full of paid escorts to make them look good. how long do you think a "babe" is going to stay away from ukraine or russia... how stupid are men here... At the end of the day it wont workk... But if you are like most men here who date woman with kids who have been divorced well sure it might work.. but geeses why would you date a woman like that and travel the world for it... you can get that in any city
How stupid are men here? Well at the end of most days the same people post the same crap with the same old story. Boring. Why did you go vanechka? Anal retention is still anal retention no matter what country you are from.
Vanechka is one of the saddest cases I have ever heard of. It doesn't take a psychologist to figure out where this guy is coming from. Somewhere along the line he fell in love HARD with a Ukrainian lady and she left him. Until that time he was probably as strong an advocate in this pursuit as anyone and he did everything right (in his opinion anyway) but it didn't work out. Afterwards he commiserated with a few others who had been hurt (or were delusional to begin with) and now he thinks he is doing us all a favor by preventing us from getting hurt the way that he was.
Vanechka - thanks but we don't need it. It doesn't have to end that way for the rest of us.
Regarding letter writing - I never believed in it. Its just not my style. While I will admit that I wrote a steamy or heartfelt letter or two to the loves of my early youth, those women (girls?) spoke English as their first language and I knew that they had a fine command of it. Personally, I would never in a million years attempt to establish a heartfelt relationship with a Russian lady through letters. There are so many possible things that can go wrong - from nonexistant women, to agency ghost writers, to mistranslation etc, etc, etc, its like running blind through a mindfield.
By going to Socials you get a chance to meet face to face. YES there are scammers. And yes there might be a hooker or two there. But I can tell you from first hand experience that there are also great stunning looking women, who have waited MONTHS to attend this thing and hope to find a nice western guy.
Its amazing to me that the vast majority of those who KNOCK socials have NEVER BEEN TO ONE. That is not to say that EVERYONE WHO GOES will be a fan - but TWO OF US HERE (JMOLUV and MYSELF) have been to Romance Socials and are STRONG ADVOCATES of the experience. If I broke up with my lady tomorrow - I would book the soonest convenient Romance Tour I could.
The owrst thing about findin a bride in the FSU - and its a problem no matter how you do it - is the time limitation. You simply cannot be with her anywhere near that amount of time that you would expect to be with a western girl before making the decision to marry. You have to be mature enough to look for what you really want to find - and to know it when you see it.
But the women are there - its best though to get on a plane (BY FAR PREFERABLY though a Romance Social) and actually MEET HER.
When I started out on this venture some 8 years ago I came to believe, at that time, that letter writing was a very good thing. At the time I made a comparison to a guy meeting a lady in a bar or similar, they wouldn't talk in-depth that much and after a few beverages it would be on the guys mind to get her in to bed.
In letters, well it shouldn't be anyway, there is no bedroom talk, it should be all about getting to know each other and regardless of what a guy may write there ain't no chance that he'll be sleeping with her tonight thus the opportunity for open honesty exists.
BUT, I came to learn that letter writing is only the very first step, one can become emotionally involved only to learn that she is full of shite or indeed a scammer and the only true test will be that first real time date together. Letters can be full of shite, we can all say nice things to impress the other, we can answer all the others questions positively but the true test is that first evening sitting across the dinner table from each other meeting and talking face to face.
I'm amazed that guys will spend up to a year writing to a lady before actually meeting her, life is very short and, with hindsight, what a waste of life, writing letters for up to one year without even knowing if they are compatable or not.
I admit that I do not approve of socials and I admit that I have never been to one, just not my cup of tea, I am too much of a private person for something like a social hence my 'personal' disapproval of the social but not of the people that attend them, everyone to his/her own!