Maybe a first trip to the FSU would give him some credibility, at least it would open his eyes and give some of his posts merit, which they don't have. I would be curious to do a search on his posts here, I would bet 95% would be negative about the women in the FSU without even the courtesy of spending one day in their countries.
I was going to apologize for the retard remark, but since some of us don't do our investigations correctly I'll take a pass on that. Women don't need to ask for money to be upfront, but just play mind games to be a scammer. Well who is the greatest scammer on this forum? One who has never spent one day in their country and opened a thread with how to trick a lady?
Time to let go of the 12 year marriage and be a man an move on and quit kicking the ladies from the FSU, in your definition you are a scammer yourself. Now that's hypocricy.
aussieman has too many insecurities of his own to ever succeed in the FSU........most women there would see him for what he actually is (transparent and full of wind) he regularly spouts lines and lines of BS about the evil scammers and the downfalls of the FSU without having a single trip to his name and dubious success elsewhere.
If you got burned aussie ( a whole $75 worth) then you have no-one to blame except yourself.Go ahead and visit SE Asia as I'm sure there is nobody who will ever be anything less than truthful!!!!!!!!! However as Adman has pointed out it is the cheap option,compred to the vast ammount of money needed for the FSU??????.......just where that choice nugget came from is anyones guess.I'm not a Bill Gates but unlike you I think with my brain not with my wallet.......and unlike you I use common sense.
Guess what?......I found what I was looking for........guess what???...........it didn't cost me a second mortgage either........guess what???.....like most of the other guys who have been successful here,an unbiased outlook and common sense took first place not some hysterical whining about scammers that quite frankly you should have spotted a mile off,or listened to some of the advice placed here.
Apal, when you start seeing FSU women as something more than " top shelf merchandise quality" you too might enjoy a little more success. Start by asking yourself exactly how you would fell being classified like that by a prospective wife........do the words piece of meat spring to mind???........not nice is it?
There are pitfalls to dating anywhere in the world with just about any women,it's all about attitude,and a balanced approach to what you want to acheieve.If you talk about merchandise thats what you'll find....if you mistrust everything that breathes chances are the scammers will find you......don't forget this is a public forum.Be realistic,be considered,be thorough,be careful,but above all be yourself,personality is the single most attractive trait in the human psyche........and the longest lasting too.
Gladiator, I don't consider myself burned at all. It was a small investment for an experiment in order to determine things I wanted to know about Miss K.R and it succeeded allowing to make the positive decision to quit with her and forget about foreign girls.
Some of you dick heads can go to the FSU and get hurt and disappointed..the emotional aspect can be far more painful than loosing money..money can eventually be replaced with hard work and saving but the exercise can destroy your faith and it can take a long time to recover.
Apal, find a woman closer to home
Guys, I only come here to read about the ignorant stupes that don't wake up and give advice on immigration issues for Australia because I have done the fiance visa/foreign bride/marriage thing, its based on true experiences.
Apart from Nasfan ( who is still married, lets hope that one does not go down the gurgler like so many ) how many guys here have been married to a foreign girl from a foreign culture and know the difficulties, the ups and downs, language, cultural barriers and misunderstandings? No matter where the foreign girl is from the problems and issues are universal.
These " foreign blended" marriages are a huge challenge, especially in the early years, the first 3 years are the hardest, they can be psychologically draining..my experience was but I had my 12 years.
Why does not Nasfans, Ukrainian wife make a comment here. I will not be rude to her, an opinion from her or another Ukrainian woman, will give me another perspective to think about and why my perception of Ukrainian women being mainly scammers and gold diggers is all wrong????
Aussie...lets not start calling people names...I NEVER called you anything but your name. I NEVER questioned your thoughts on immigration issues in Australia, I knew you had first hand experience. Also you had a foriegn bride and got to experience the issues that brings. You do have some knowledge in that. I have a question, since your asian ex burned you, why are you not professing about how terrible it would be with a girl from that area? No, you now profess to be going back to that area!! HUH? Yet, one girl you see as a scammer in FSU makes the whole lot
something no one should bother to visit for a girl. HUH? Sounds like someone who ventured into something, got his ego shattered and now professes you will only get hurt and disappointed.
aussie:
it's quite obvious you don't read back through the forum here.You ask how many guys here apart from Nas are married to a foreign lady......a lot more than you think,myself,skiired,tradman,dittus,maxi,and a whole load of others who may or may not frequent this forum anymore.
Read beemers post above and see how it seems to everyone else.......then and only then if you can understand I will ask my wife (Ukranian),some of your ridiculous assumptions.
Regarding my wife commenting, she has read this forum with me on many occasions. She still wonders why I still post. She may have a point. With the exceptions of a few she finds many posts ridiculous and boring. Especially the ones that describe how women in Ukraine are and how their lives are. She has other interests instead of searching for a foreign bride, which in many comments I have posted are from her directly.
Read in another thread Aussieman, where I described what the women go through. That came from my wifes experiences and some of the women she knew at her agency, with the idiotic men who write these ladies. She also enlightened me early on in our relationship how agencys operate and how girls to them is nothing but a commodity, many women become disillusioned with the agency scenario.
You wouldn't worry about being rude to her, she would just put you in your place. Especially since she has commented on some of your posts as being bigoted. I didn't even read that in them. Also very inaccurate on many issues and she laughs about so many experts about the FSU. Some who have been there, some who have never stepped foot in their countries. I am no means an expert, but I do have a very experienced partner, who I seek advice on many times when I post here on situations that I find to be a little bizzare and inaccurate based on my limited experience. Each time I ask her something she asks the same question, why do you waste your time? She knows why I still do this. To help the real guys who are really looking to avoid the pitfalls of seeking a woman from Ukraine. To give them accurate information and not some garbled BS from people who have never been there and to refute the losers that have went and now spend their moments to scorn the decent women of Ukraine.
Gladiator hit it correct, mostly your assumptions are ridiculous. That is what they are, nothing but assumptions and third person information. Not one moment of your time has been spent in the FSU. I rolled laughing when Beemer called you out on the Asian women. Now you are seeing some lady who at thirty still lives with her parents. You don't see a problem with that? I lived with my parents only two weeks after high school and that was when I was discharged from the navy. In two weeks I had my own place. They spent 18 years raising me, they didn't need me mooching off of them.
Your problem aussieman is your existence of life. So since your experiences have been negative, you will perpetuate that to others. Misery loves company. I choose not to seek the negative in life. Is finding a woman in Ukraine a gamble, you bet it is, but the payoff is huge. Nothing ventured nothing gained without some gamble in life. It's really not that big of a gamble when you're honest and use common sense.
I still don't understand why you even post in this forum. You have no relative experience at all. Maybe writing a few letters. So no women on MSN messenger aren't scammers and ripoffs.
Oh by the way, you and boredmoron ought to be original. The nasfanny thing was originated by MultipleMartinUk, who still posts her under about three names now. Get original.
This is a very funny forum..all sorts here.
I am retired/quit from entire FSU girl hunting...no more comment...tell your wife, Nasfan, the women in Ukraine are safe from the bigot!
Perhaps since my bad divorce 6 years ago, I might have become jaded, bitter and bigoted and not realise it has crept up on me...it does change you permanently in some ways!
Its finally dawned on me, I am no longer suitable for foreign girl searching/marriage business...I have changed.
It was a error of judgement to pursue fsu women on the internet, no fsu woman suffered from my contact...they benefited and I did too..this is a bigoted,pompous forum..no more comment!
Nas - most all the women in FSU live with their parents, so you are being hypocritical and a bit rude to start bashing on Aussie's girl and I take offense to that. I think it's uncalled for and rather immature argument.
I know you got lucky (after 3 years) in finding your now wife. I don't think you have all the answers to all our questions regarding FSU women, but you have some good ideas every now and then. Don't go bashing and making a complete ass out of yourself just to try and knock aussie around for finally finding someone he likes.
Tired of all the immaturity I see out of 'grown' men in this forum... you and jet should be good friends...
Really, most of the women I met in Ukraine didn't live with their parents, though I know some do. As for the three year remark, no matter the time, it's the result. What are your results so far? I wrote and communicated with many women, but found the one and only had to visit one. I didn't need backup plans etc. As for knocking Aussieman around, I think you have a problem with reading comprehension. Who has spent a litany of time berating and downgrading women of the FSU. Also Australia is not Ukraine in any economical sense. Living with parents at 30 would make me a little suspicious.
As for making an ass out of myself, I think you need to re-read many of your transparent posts. I don't have good ideas. What worked for me, won't work for others. As for having answers, I have a person that lives with me that will forget more about Ukraine than the majority of us will learn in our lifetimes, also insight into agency practices and pitfalls.
Yes smart ass, I do consider Jet a friend and I always will with the many others that I have met personally on this forum. Lay some more of you elite, looking down the nose at the rest of us maturity will you please! What a joke. I won't attempt to be PC with someone that has made a career of hammering women of the FSU and never had the testicular fortitude to step foot in their countries. Like going to FIJI was some major adventure. Do some topographical research.
I have no reading comprehension problem. I think you have shown you and jetmba continually show your deep seated psychological issues when you start throwing demeaning, rude, childish and immature remarks around at people. So I won't hold back when I see it happening. I don't stand for juvenile bullying. And I told Aussie to knock it off with his bashing of FSU women, but its his personality. He has a point, he's run into what.. two documented scammers already? His statements are valid, because whether you want to believe it or not, scammers and gold-diggers are out there enmass.
You and Jetmba want to hype up Ukraine girls. And if anyone in this forum had read only you and jetmba? They'd be like? WTF? It's gonna take 12-18 trips to find one girl? Or several years of writing and visiting one girl to see if somehow I can convince her to get married.
Oh, and only a few live with their parents? I don't know where you get off on that statement, but every single girl I have written lives at home in the Ukraine. You want letters to prove it? Or do you just create facts out of thin air just to bash someone who you take a disliking to?
Your right - what worked for you won't work for many. I for one wouldn't put up with a woman who needed several years to figure out if she liked me...
Apal, share your experience. Several years? Read the post to 2clueless, of those three years, I've been married 18 months. Uh, anyone with a brain wouldn't have made their first trip to Odessa. Everyone of the girls that have written live at home. really. Wow, they also tell you they love you in the letters and are writing you only. Of the 80 some women I communicated with only three lived with their parents. Then again, I wasn't chasing the 20 something crowd.
What is a documented scammer, someones word. You need to research a little bit. Try the thread profile#####. Any one with a brain knows there's scammers out there. There are scammers in every walk of life. I love the word documented. Do you understand what that means. You have nothing documented but an idiots word. Also stating that marrying a woman from Fiji, is a foreign marriage is like saying marrying a woman from Tasmania is a foreign marriage for an Aussie. The problem with this forum is it has turned into a scammer hunter forum. That's not what it was intended for. I love the looky here crowd. Looky here I found a scammer. Wow what a shock.
You wouldn't put up with a woman who uses rational thought, that's your problem. You want some brainless clothes hanger who you can pull shit on all the time. She didn't need several years to figure out she liked me idiot, she wanted to think about leaving where she had lived all her life. That's being pragmatic. Seems to me you've traveled to many places to find a lady and have come up zero. Finding a girl at home was never a problem for me. Though I don't think you know much about the culture of women from Ukraine. Getting a date and getting laid doesn't qualify as finding a lady. That's not difficult for most men here at home.
Childish remarks, who has posted in here about the size of their manhood? The sad thing is your IQ is lower than the size of you dick. Another single trip wonder who has all the answers.
The problem with guys like you is, an intellectually equipped woman scares you to death. Of my trips to Ukraine, I spent a lot of time learning about their life and culture and seeing my wife. I spent a lot of time of my life studying the Soviet lifestyle, but nothing teaches you anything until you actually are there.
A piece of advice, invest that 200k somewhere else. You're in a bear market in Ukraine and they are a hell of a lot smarter than you give them credit for. This is a stone cold loser and waste of time for you.
It's his personality?(Aussieman) you told him to knock it off. He has a point, he's run into what 2 documented scammers and yes the idiot sent her darts. Why and the hell would someone do that if they despised these ladys so much. Anyone with a lick of common sense know scammers exist in Ukraine and many places in the FSU. Why is this a forum topic? His statement is valid? Really, where is the validity? Because he said so, a person who never stepped foot into the FSU, but will write extensively about foreign marriage, when that would be like me marrying a woman from Canada. That does not really constitute a foreign marriage. There are too many frauds and fools in this forum lately. Only three or four here posting now will succeed, it's not because the the reality of the women of the FSU, it's because the reality of their personalities and common sense.
Losers come in this forum to detract decent honest guys from finding out the reality of ladies in the FSU. If you were a new person here, you would think by the voluminous posts of Aussieman, he was an experienced traveller to the FSU. Hell travelling to Fiji was probably his longest trip from the mainland.
They want to embellish how evil these ladies are, because for one reason or another they have been rejected by these ladies. My second favorites are the one's who jump right on a plane and come back here claiming they have found the one, then come back and tell of some break down, then they find the one again, and again and again. Then it's some far off land that is better than the FSU because some woman is paying attention to them.
It wasn't several years fool, for her to figure out she liked me, then again you don't take that much consideration what a woman is giving up to be with you. She is giving up everything, more than you will ever give back to a woman. That is humbling in itself. You apal, need a maturity checkup, because you have no clue what you are getting into and your own selfishness will doom you to failure.
"You and Jetmba want to hype up Ukraine girls. And if anyone in this forum had read only you and jetmba? They'd be like? WTF? It's gonna take 12-18 trips to find one girl? Or several years of writing and visiting one girl to see if somehow I can convince her to get married. "
These were from the same redisent idiot's (apal) post.
apal (idiot) I found my girls on ONE TRIP (each). See - I'm not a dismal failure like you are. And you've already admited, in another thread that YOU have been writing letters to Ukrainian women for FOUR YEARS. Apal - I've never written a girl more than a single letter unless I've already met her IN PERSON and have an ongoing relationship with her.
Clearly you DO have a reading comprehension problem.
You are an idiot apal and any girl who gets to know you is going to realize that. Looks and money mean nothing apal. Ukrainian women like "clever men" (that means no idiots). And you will never qualify.
Apal,
I wouldn't worry about it, it's par for the course when a forum newbie comes along that the gang leader and his boys will all gang up.
They're all probably communicating about you away the forum right at this moment and they'll probably come back in double numbers, seen it all before and so many times :)
Newbies are welcome here with open arms. Always willing to lend advice to someone just getting started in this.
But apal already knows it all (according to him). He's rich and good looking and has an enormous dick, and women all fall down to him, and he can have any woman he wants anywhere, except he just likes writing letters and is very very picky (all - according to him and maybe his mom).
apal is a clod - and he purports to be gods gift to ... well, EVERYBODY.
Call a fool, a "fool". (Or in this case an idiot).
Jet.......you may not believe this but a couple months ago I was critical of a post from Nasfan, next day I got
responses from glad, thunder, you and another name that escapes me. I do see how one would think you are getting 'ganged up on'. I didn't take it personally...to each his own but some people feel it is important to speak their mind and maybe get a last word in.....I don't worry because it is just their nature. You have to accept people for who they are. It is obvious if you are here long enough to get a good read on posters. Of the previous guys mentioned, I respect their views because they have been around longer and have informative posts.
Damn beemer I must have missed that post!! How can you be critical of little ol' me. Listen I can take the hits with the best of them and give them out just as well. Remember this is a "MENS!!" forum, and real men debate, sometimes it gets heated, real men don't act like the emasculated men that come in her and blame the women for everything. Though America's culture is leading toward the PC crowd, don't banter or argue even if it means your culture and your life. Don't get emotional or show passion for anything. Pornify our children, but don't let them embrace God. Oh yeah, when all else fails, It's Bush's fault.
Martin_FFC, whose tactics are posting people profiles on sites, picking gnat shit out of pepper, cried that he was getting ganged up on because of two ridiculous posts, Profile#### and wheres the 15,000 ladies. Idiotic threads that did nothing but create problems and it was done intentionally that way.
Also Martin theres a difference between a forum newbie and a Forum idiot which I think you know about as well what both are here. Still counting the girls and getting your legal team to sue Fiance.com
Nasfan...I have no problem with anyone critical of anything I say, that is what a forum is all about. You give your thoughts and opinions and others give their thoughts and opinions and hopefully there will be lots of different points of view. Nothing wrong with passion but I am not big on name calling...it reminds me of being a kid...when you can't think of anything else to say in a confrontation.....you resort to name calling......
By the way,you DIDN'T miss that post, what nasfan miss a post??:)).. you answered back, gave me some of your insights.