"Unfortunately, couples who decide to forgo the K-1 fiancee visa and K-3 spousal visa often find themselves in difficult circumstances when they apply for adjustment of status to become lawful permanent residents (green card holders). You see, a foreign national cannot make any misrepresentations to the immigration agency when he or she is applying for a visa or entering the United States. When a foreign national applies for a tourist visa (or a student visa, or most other visas), the foreign national is seeking a visa that is temporary in nature and it is expected that the foreign national will leave the United States at the conclusion of the authorized stay. Additionally, when applying for a visa, a foreign national must not intentionally hide the fact that he or she has a U.S. citizen spouse, fiance, or fiancee. If a couple is asked by an immigration official whether such a relationship exists, and the couple fails to disclose it, the couple may be accused of making a misrepresentation to the immigration agency.
If a couple is found to have misrepresented their relationship to the immigration agency, the foreign national will likely need to leave the United States, and may face immigration consequences for the misrepresentation. It is even possible that a misrepresentation to the immigration agency may result in the foreign national being barred from entering the United States.
The stakes are high. Although it may seem like the better short term option, entering the United States to marry a U.S. citizen on a tourist visa and then adjusting status to become a lawful permanent resident is not advisable."
"I have a LITTLE patience when somebody doesn't get something. FAR less when my words are intentionally taken out of context."
I did not intentionally take you out of context. You posted a falsehood when taken by itself.
"It is NOT a walk in the park for a 21 year old girl, unmarried, no children, no business or real estate she must return to - to get a USA tourist visa. NOT a walk-in-the park in any way. And if she WERE to get one, and got married in the US it would be illegal and constitute fraud."
There is your statement. I did not alter it in any way. It is the basis of many words by us. My reply was a question:
"When is getting married a fraud? If the Ukrainian or anyone from a foreign country falls in love and gets married in the US why would that be fraud? The only time that is a fraud is if they got married for the sheer purpose of obtaining a green card."
You did not answer my question. All you had to do was answer my question. You would have avoided all of this. But, here was your reply:
"ragingbull: After spending two days trying to tell you what I meant with the words "sometimes" I am CERTAINLY not going to try and explain any legal issues to you.
Don't take my word for it. (You won't anyway. I know). Check with a good immigrations attorney and find out what happens when a woman gets married in the US shortly after getting a Tourist Visa.
Then spend a few days arguing with him."
You have little patience for me? Then, don't go to the forum. I am here. If you must stay, live with it.
I know girl who cam to usa, met a guy she liked and they got married in Vegas in a week. She had no problems getting her green card and having happy family.
rangingbull: But you CAN'T take the response by itself - especially when someone one quotes what he was responding to!
You were simply WRONG. You could not have BEEN more wrong. And now the fact that you were WRONG, and didn't understand you were wrong - makes it MY fault?
I DID answer your question in about twelve ways (all correct) and then even pointed out a web page for you and you STILL didn't get it.
It DID take me two days to get you to understand "something" and the better part of an afternoon to get you to realize I was responding to a statement instead of writing a stand alone piece.
ragingbull THINK about what another guy is writing about before you jump on him because you simply don't get it! Just stop and THINK a minute and save us BOTH a lot of hassle.
Go back and read the whole thread over again and if you are honest (something I question now) you will SEE I was RIGHT all along!
ragingbull: Read the thread back. LOOK how many time I refered back to the original statement of sunvolt and how many time I explained that I was talking SPECIFICALLY about using a Tourist Visa with the express intention of getting married (preplanned).
I explained it so many ways - I couldn't THINK of any other way to explain it. Thank goodness you FINALLY GOT IT!
Now do I need to explain what "sometimes" means again?
"rangingbull: But you CAN'T take the response by itself - especially when someone one quotes what he was responding to!
You were simply WRONG. You could not have BEEN more wrong. And now the fact that you were WRONG, and didn't understand you were wrong - makes it MY fault?"
Yes, it was your fault. You became patronizing and condenscending instead of clarifying it by answering my question.
"It DID take me two days to get you to understand "something" and the better part of an afternoon to get you to realize I was responding to a statement instead of writing a stand alone piece."
I did not understand it because it wasn't there. You only put it there because I challenged you. How many times must I repeat that before you can understand that? Are you stupid?
"I DID answer your question in about twelve ways (all correct) and then even pointed out a web page for you and you STILL didn't get it."
Bullshit. My question was when if it was illegal to get married. Olga just chimed in with her story. When is it illegal to get married? The answer is never. Your lawyer is using scare tactics.
"ragingbull THINK about what another guy is writing about before you jump on him because you simply don't get it! Just stop and THINK a minute and save us BOTH a lot of hassle.
Go back and read the whole thread over again and if you are honest (something I question now) you will SEE I was RIGHT all along!"
No. You are continuing your lawyers bullshit in using scare tactics to get people to pay for his services. Getting married is not wrong, will never be illegal and you don't need a lawyer to defend that right.
Why did I not understand sometimes? It was because you did not mention it until I pointed it out. Did you finally get that? It's the first time you didn't mention it. Then, you need a lawyer to tell you it's OK to marry a tourist visa holder? Give me a break.
Might I ask what sort of Visa your friend had? There are many types that WOULD allow one to marry immediately. Just not a Tourist Visa.
Also can I ask, how old your friend was? And had she ever been to the US before.
Lastly. If she truly met someone and married in a week - its not the same as getting a Torist Visa and suing it in place of a fiance visa - because she has NO specific plan to marry when she came over - and therefore iot would not be fraud.
Here's one for you Jetmba. No matter what you promise anyone, the US and the law cannot prosecute you for marrying or failing to marry. Therefore, if you tell them, "no" to if you plan to marry, you cannot be prosecuted.
How can they prove it otherwise? If you get married, although you planned it, how can anyone prove that it was planned? USCIS will not prosecute you because your marriage was planned, even if you told them otherwise. What is keeping you from falling in love and getting married? Can the government regulate that?
Pay for a lawyer because you are being prosecuted that you planned your marriage. Give me a break.
ragingbull: AGAIN I must repeat myself because AGAIN, you either can't read of you can't comprehend. This has nothing to do with MARRIAGE being illegal, fraudulent or anything else. Its not about marriage okay.
Repeat that with me ten times- "This is not about getting married or not getting married."
Did you get it? Good.
This is about question that you are asked when you apply for a Tourist Visa. You are asked if you are getting this visa with the intent to do anything other than visit the country. Okay? You sign it and agree that you can be prosecuted if you lie.
Then you marry.
The MARRIAGE IS LEGAL (got it? LEGAL).
The Tourist Visa application is now fraudulent.
Got it? The MARRIAGE is okay. Whats NOT okay is that you applied for a Tourst Visa and signed under false pretences.
WHY do you think Tourist Visas, Fiance Visas (k1) and Marriage Visas (k3) EXIST if they don't matter? If one is as good as another why does immigration law even exist?
And a footnote: I have NEVER paid a lawyer for anything. Not my fiance visa. Not my divorce. Not the formation of two LLC companies. Not for my several IRS audits. I have always done ALL my legal work myself.
(And I have ALWAYS done well I bet I had a better divorce settlement than any of YOU did.)
Repeat with me "The MARRIAGE part was LEGAL - just NOT the VISA application." Still remember the point. Or are we going to have to argue all morning till you figure out wheat that sentence means AGAIN?)
"It is NOT a walk in the park for a 21 year old girl, unmarried, no children, no business or real estate she must return to - to get a USA tourist visa. NOT a walk-in-the park in any way. And if she WERE to get one, and got married in the US it would be illegal and constitute fraud."
Repeat that with me ten times- "This is not about getting married or not getting married."
Holy crap. Did your brain synthesize what you wrote. You wrote those two statements. Don't you accuse me of making things up - again.
"WHY do you think Tourist Visas, Fiance Visas (k1) and Marriage Visas (k3) EXIST if they don't matter? If one is as good as another why does immigration law even exist?"
Where is my post that I said it didn't matter?
"Repeat with me "The MARRIAGE part was LEGAL - just NOT the VISA application." Still remember the point. Or are we going to have to argue all morning till you figure out wheat that sentence means AGAIN?)"
It doesn't matter. Once you are married you will not be prosecuted for planning it or not planning it. How can USCIS prove otherwise? You can fall in love or out of love. You don't need a lawyer.