WIFESEEKER: "Of course the glamour shots of the girls make them look a lot better than in real life." I think it is more than that. I think for some of these photo shoots are CGIs which only have enough resemblance to the girl to be recognizable.
'beemer18 I would never dream of saying anything less than positive about my experiences here on fiance.com. Not only would it disappoint Tom Shea, it would not make it through moderation.'
If you think this forum is moderated, think again... this is like "one flew over the cookoo's nest" run by the asylum!!!
" beemer18 - it doesn't matter the site. They all employ the same tactics - pretend someone is interested in you that is really not or does not exist."
If it doesn't matter the site, but why was Anastasiadot your guess? BTW,I agree that a 60yo and 20 something will have little real interest......other than $$$ free flowing in one direction
“If you think this forum is moderated, think again... this is like "one flew over the cookoo's nest" run by the asylum!!! “
Because the rejected posts are never seen,,,, we have no way of knowing just how many are rejected.
Removing bad profiles takes far too long,,, but it does happen. In case no one has noticed,,, the profile “MS” was removed months ago. He was nothing but a complete troll on the forum, the profile and everything that he wrote is gone!
Yes, most of the active profiles are located in Nikolaev and Simferopol on this site. Must be the agencies from those cities routing their registrants to this site.
As for "miss wow" I thought that group had something to do with being a recent registrant? There are many inactive profiles that are very attractive. I wonder if "miss wow" means "miss very active on this site"? In other words, a big promoter of this site? A few of the "miss wow" girls have sent me messages. Some of them (not the "miss wow" group have tried to get to go to video chat. It does seem like it is more of a profit motive because some have not even talked very much with very few text messages. So what will doing video chat will be different unless they expect to do a "dance" for me? Or maybe a strip tease? I can see that (and more) for free online without having to pay for it.
There are a few who constantly harp about going to pay video chat with me. I have not done it with anyone. A few invited me to join them in Skype or Viber or Facebook chat, but when I ask for their ID number, none of them respond. The independent profiles are free for video chat, but hardly any one of them are seen online and the few that I got some messages have not offered to go to video chat.
I have been talking to a 28 year old (not one of the miss wow, but registered over three years ago) who has not insisted on going to video chat. She appears to send me messages around lunch time (her time) daily. She has mentioned about how volatile things are in the Crimean region and if she will be able to continue to work. I did a search and found her profile on several other sites. I sent "flirts" to the other profiles and have gotten no response. She said that she no longer uses the other profiles. Her English is not too good (5 rating) so I guess the translator program is converting the messages.
btb754
Not just on this site, but on other sites, I have seen recent photos that show a much different picture of the lady from the profile. On some of the profiles, the photos are taken many years ago and in a studio. On the recent photos that they send, I can see a marked "aging" difference and a lack of "beautification" from the profile. Of course, there are some sites that have just the regular images without the appearance of embellishment.
On one site, I saw a photo of a girl who appeared anorexic (almost skin and bones) and another one with lots of facial decorations like someone into "goth".
I really doubt the agrncies will go through the trouble and expense of applying CGI to photos of the girls. Many of these girls are so beautiful they do not needed it like ageing pop stars. Then when you talk to them on webcam you would notice the difference.
re moderation: I do stand corrected. Everything I wrote made it through. Just seems to take a while. Maybe new guys go in a different moderation queue. I did get my first request that included a picture with some nudity. Another gorgeous girl.
How many Ukrainian girls have already decided they don't want a child of their own by the time they are thirty?
I did finally "talk" to a lady on video chat. I really liked her and the conversation went well. Except for the bits where she had to say age does not matter. She typed those in. Might be a script. Might be her being ironic.
"I agree that a 60yo and 20 something will have little real interest......other than $$$ free flowing in one direction"
Is there anything like this notion in the Ukraine? Google "sugar daddy"
'Because the rejected posts are never seen,,,, we have no way of knowing just how many are rejected.'
Okay, that must mean that some of yours have been rejected, yes? because you would not know for sure about others....how many are rejected...if any!!!
A moderated forum deletes posts BUT they are seen by others before they are deleted. New members here are on a delayed posting which eventually changes by some automated system.
No,,,, before my postings were instant, I had some that were rejected and never posted. A few times, I kept reposting them until they would slip through! lol
Only a few times through the years have I seen a single post be removed. They do wipe a profile from existence,,, and all that person wrote. If you look through the pages of threads,,, you will see the name of the person that started a thread,,, but his first post will be gone,,, and it can look like someone is talking to themselves.
How many years ago was that??? I do remember your ole good friend danny's posts were gone( and his many names)yet the names do show up in posts at that time.
A good moderated forum does not delete posts or profile at some future point. They are on record as long as forum is running.
I had to look it up, and it will be 4 years tomorrow that I joined the 4um. Not sure when my posts went instant,,, at least a year ago I’d guess.
Recently, Martin asked me to do a search for “Land of Oz’s” thread,,, so I had the opportunity to look through a lot of threads dating way back. I could have saved myself a lot of time, if I had remembered sooner, that I wrote on the thread myself when it was still current.
While I was digging in the archives, I saw a lot of user names that have been deleted,,,, and guess who was the person behind most of them?
I don’t know about a good moderated forum! I don’t have the time or ambition to look.
Almost all the girls say in their profiles that they want to have children of their own and they confirm it when writing to you. They are women and they have the biological need to procreate, that is not going to change in China or Canada.
ALL the FSU women I know, who have married men here, have got childen either because they brought them with them or because they had them with the man here, but it was mostly the latter.
About what they tell you in relation to their not being worried about the age difference, I tend not to believe it if they volunteer the information, especially in theri profile. When it is me who presses them to discuss it, it is more believable to me what they say, especially when they express hesitation and ask questions even about your ability for sex.
I URGE you to seek and read the threads of a guy called 4re, earlier this year. He started exactly the same way as you, honing in on one girl by speaking to her on webcam and the whole thing ended up in complete disaster. I am not saying it is bound to happen to you but it is good learning as to what not to do.
To summarise his case, he really went there thinking he could go and have sex with the girl and that it would make a relationship. Little did he know, women who want to have a Western men to be on call to go and visit them regularly, without the girl making any commitment, are only using the poor bugger.
I also got letters from a couple of ridiculously young 20 YO ladies. These girls were persistent and both were quite clever. They are only average looking and are already a little chunky. Also a scam?
I stopped reading most of this thread because it became mostly BS.
REALITY CHECK: BTB754. 60 and 20 somethings? Not gonna happen at all unless she is into a long term investment in your life insurance policy or house
in the USA.
As one who has put of the idea of being married unless someone really special comes along, Once you decide to not be preoccupied with the idea of coming to Ukraine and somehow finding "the one" on some magical trip once or twice per year and just live as a normal person you will have a far better chance of
meeting a good girl. Ive met nice girls who are teachers, cashier at grocery, doctors, every type and demographic. there really are excellent girls that will be with you for life. Finding "the one" on a dating site? exceedingly difficult, but possible. You must be realistic. I stretch it a bit but must admit, for long term? You should be at a minimum of 35 and older, and that is pushing it unless you are attractive and very fit for your age. I dropped 30lbs and got abs.
I know a guy who does have 20 something girlfriends at your age but that's living in Odesa and not USA. Girls that age will be with you maximum of 5 years and
they WILL be gone.
An agency girl will use her looks,, even if her looks are not that good. If you let your guard down, just because she doesn’t look like a model,,,,, you might still find out the hard way that she is a scammer.
I met a real tag team, in a city that most people here consider safe. A girl, her brother and his girlfriend,,, one hell of an entertaining evening. I get the girl’s email address,,, and the first thing I do after returning home is google it. It’s the brother’s girl’s email address,,,, I asked her why she didn’t have her own address?? The next day I get an email from (hername@???.com),,,,, why didn’t she give that to me right away?
It was only a day or two, when they all became so poor and sick, and asking for money. Well,,,, by having the other girl’s email address,,, I was able to do a lot of checking,,,, and eventually found a recent photo of that girl in a bikini, on a yacht in some tropical locale.
I wrote to the first girl for a short time,,,, then sent a Vk friend request,,,, and got blocked! The letters from her continued like there was nothing wrong.
I check the new profiles on this site about once a week,,,, and these two girls are on their 8th to 10th profile,,, often having several profiles at the same time. You need to do your homework!
"I also got letters from a couple of ridiculously young 20 YO ladies. These girls were persistent and both were quite clever. They are only average looking and are already a little chunky. Also a scam?"
I have also wondered about the plain girls, of 19-22, who seek a foreign man. Could it be that, with so many attractive girls in their country, and also with women outnumbering men in any case, they have no chance of finding an eligible man and they think: "I don't care if the foreigner is 60 years old and bald, it is better than nothing"
Nikolaev may be the scam capital, but Simferopol has some of the best looking women I have ever seen on-line. Am I allowed to post a link? This girl was pretty sharp, flirting without even once saying she would ever see me if I showed up.
https://www.fiance.com/agency.asp?main=page&id=128447
Tell me those legs have not been PhotoShop enhanced.
What is the attitude of Ukranian men to other men's children? If a woman is only OK looking, is she out of luck finding a man you will love her son? Several woman who have written to me who have had sons. The father is never involved in the kid's life. Is that reasonable for the Ukraine? In the first place, there are not a lot of kids. And only about half of them are sons. I struggle a little with the idea that fathers would frequently abandon their sons. Of course, maybe a higher proportion of ladies whose husbands dumped them are looking internationally.