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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Olga Esperova on Elenas models 9862588 Zaporozhye Ukraine dob june 20 1977 Author Post stev_st Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/26/2011 12:16:18 AM   I met this woman in Ukraine through another dating service, invited her to Canada spent huge money getting her a visa, had to Send a letter to Canada embassy in Kiev advising them Olga lied on Application. When in Canada She had problems she said with her haert. I think she has heart bith defect. Also claimed when she got back to Ukraine she claimed to have heart attack. I sent this letter to Embassy, so is highly doubtful she will get another visa. Also 1500 dollars of my money disapeared, that I had sent to her, that she recieved so I can not dismiss the fact she has well thought out scam. also if heart problem is real this could end up causing huge finacial problems for some one if she is in another country. I am asking sites to remove her. there is a big problem with this one baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/26/2011 8:30:35 AM   dollars of my money disappeared, that I had sent to her, There are a few "cardinal rules" that everyone should never violate. When you do, this happens. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/28/2011 6:20:19 PM   stev, i just dont get it?? you are very unclear and of cause hurt by this. you seem to be complaining about your financial loss yeah? and blaming her for it yes? but didnt you set this all in place to happen? you did give her 1500$ as a gift to spend on what ever? or was it a loan? you did invite her to Canada and paid for the trip with no liabilities to her yes? so why are you asking sites to remove her? is it because you felt defrauded she didnt divulge her illness to you or the visa form?? maybe she just didnt like you or Canada. yes its more then possible she didnt like you before you invited her. well thought out scam? wheres the scam, you gave it all to her, you invited her to Canada,, an expensive date. date is all it was(you two only met once) what ukraine girl wouldn't say no to seeing the world a bit. a lot of these girls have a very different set of morals then westerners. to me it seems you are guilty of just jumping on the bandwagon to quick without really thinking this through or sussing her out better. massive learning curve to the pocket and more your feelings it seems.. i think you need to say i fucked up, will not do that again.. or am i seeing this all out of per-portion? stevc Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/2/2011 9:12:25 PM   kiwinorth I will try again had problems with pass word, I would say yes, is still not in proportion for you to see. Yes you seem to ask fair questions. I have only listed 2 problems,I am finishing documents for scam sites. during my relationship with woman I had kept in close contact with site I had met her, I have enccountered many hurdles so to speek.Since communication broke down Olga and Anna Gaidash her friend have been removed from their sites. Anna is seperate story. I do not get any enjoyment out of doing this, I would rather diiscuss this with Olga however communication has ended. I have recieved no answers from Olga only more questions. I will try to sum up your question. Oh by the way( what makes you say we only met once).Money was loan of 1000 Olga had asked this was not my suggestion, rest is money given for english lesson and so forth, that did not ring up right when totalling account. I had covered all travel and extras for trip 1000 was needed for customs and visa, Olga asked to hold this in a account which would be returned either at decline of visa or coming to Canada.Yes I took a chance. I was planning to give Olga 1000 after she arrived in Canada. I asked her how much was left she said she had borrowed 500 from Anna and 150 was left of mine. I am aware of cost in Ukraine she had no explination for this money. These are the types of hurdles I had to deal with, This is the largest most obveous. Most of others were small enough to question, but not big enough to sting. As I said there is much more. I do this to warn the next guy. As comunication broke down letters got more defensive with no answers. Olgas last letter stated she was filing for immigration status to Canada. A 8 day trip a expired visiters visa Plus the fact I had to send info of her heart problem to Embassy. I'm sure she got little resistance to that request. Visitor visa is hard to get for Canada not imposable. I do this also to warn and help people who are actually sencere in this type of venture. I am sure some are very sencere. I am not going to get ito details about heart. I have very little doubt this is not real. Can you imagine costs, one would entail, if this happened in there country, when you have invited some one to your country, on a visa.YOU ARE A 100% LIABLE. yes insurance has to be taken out. I found out it is up to you to fight with ins co. not hospital. If Olga would like to offer up, her side I would listen I am not afraid to say I am wrong, I have been around long enough to learn some things,I do not hide from things, Sometimes getting out of bed in morning is a adventure. And there are risks. I appriatate honesty and the willingness to face things, not deception, We all as you say have (fucked up a time or two in our life). The important part is to learn and understand. I have gotten know answers from Olga only many questions. I have had to find my own answers. Many agree with me. As it stands right now I will leave this here, I will continue to send out letters and reports stevc Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/4/2011 12:34:24 AM   I have sent in a reply on subject. over a day ago how long for reply olga007 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/17/2011 2:06:30 PM   whom it may concern, Dear sir/madam I, Inga Hanson of Fort Nelson BC Canada, would like to describe a relationship between Olga Esperova and Steve Clark from what I witnessed. Some time at the beginning of July 2011 a lady from Fort Nelson asked me to help her neighbour to communicate on the phone with a Russian lady from Ukraine that he met online. I agreed, so I gave her my number. A couple days later a man called me, introduced himself as Steve Clark and we set a date for a phone call. When we met in person he told me his story how he went to Ukraine to see a few girls he met online. He showed me some of the pictures of him with those ladies. He said they were all nice ladies and they'd all be happy to have him, but he chose Olga because he could feel this great connection between them. So he said they applied for a visitation visa for Olga in order to show her some places in Canada, show her his home and if she will like it here in the fall he was planning to go back to Ukraine to meet Olga's parents and propose to her. At that point they were really concentrated on getting a visa so that what the conversations on the phone were mostly about. Steve knew how poor Olga was so he said he'd cover all the expenses: paperwork, summer camp for her daughter, English lessons for Olga, trips to Kiev etc. But every time she needed money for this purpose it was a challenge for her to get it but every time she spent any of his money she sent him all the receipts. Steve was pretty impressed of her honesty but still did not trust her. Once Olga asked me to translate that she was upset that Steve called her English teacher to make sure she really does take lessons even though he sent him receipts from school. He woke up the teacher with his call at a very early hour and she was not very happy with Olga and asked her to avoid involving her in her personal life. Surprisingly soon Olga got an invitation for a visa interview and Steve had a hard time to understand how come she has to be there for an interview in person . Iif that could be done over the phone it could save him some money. So Olga told him it was not her choice to make but a request from Embassy that she could not do anything about. So he gave her barely enough money for the trip, the interview went successful and she got a visa. With the visa came more requests. During one of our calls Olga asked me to ask Steve about a checklist of things Embassy requested for her to have. She said she sent Steve this list and under a paragraph 3 she had to have at list $ 1000 cash in order to enter Canada. Olga did not have the money. Steve already had the list for a few days but he ignored the money problem like if he'd wait a bit longer it would go away. So when I asked him about it for Olga he exclaimed: “More money?!!!" even though he knew she needs it. That he started making up stories how hard it is to send money through Western Union and that he has to send $35 at a time otherwise they rip you off etc. But Olga explained to him that she is going to return this full amount to him as soon as she is in Canada. So Steve made sure they orange that it was possible to do so and then he finely sent it. When time came to send Olga's daughter to camp and buy a train ticket for Olga and again the same problem. He told her to pay for everything from $1000 he gave her and he'd replace it just before she leaves. This way he'd send the exact amount and make sure he does not overspend. Finally that part was over and Olga came to Canada. On August 10 Steve and his daughter met Olga at the airport in Calgary; they traveled in Alberta for a couple of days and as soon as they got to Fort Nelson in the evening of august 14 they stopped by and Steve introduced us. I noticed Olga had only sandals on and the temperature outside was only + 8 C. She said her feet were freezing all 4 days because she forgot her runners and she was telling Steve she needs to by shoes. She pointed at her practically bare feet ,said : "Cold" but Steve said: "no-no it's Okay" and refused to take her to the store. Then I told him he needs to take her to the store and get at list a chip pair of shoes, that she can't have bare feet for the rest of her stay. But the next day when they arrived at my house for a dinner she still had same sandals on. Anyway we were having a dinner and they were telling me about their trip. Olga was impressed by Steve’s daughter that she seemed to get along with just great ;they had a few laphs together. Steve was absolutely thrilled by Olga's sense of humor. Everything was fine until Steve said he'd like to discuss the details of the wedding. He got me to ask Olga what date in October she'd like to get married, what kind and how big she wanted a wedding and how much it's going to approximately cost. And Olga was surprised by these questions. She was not ready for that. She said that every time Steve insisted to get married in October she answered that it was too early to set any dates yet and certainly not that close. She said she liked Steve very much and she appreciates his effort to show her how beautiful Canada is but she needed to spend more time with Steve together before she is able to make such a decision. She said she did not feel like they were on a level of relationship were people get married. When I translated it to Steve he got very mad. He started screaming at me: “What are you talking about?!!! I am not proposing to her now! That step has already been done back in Ukraine and she accepted! That is done. The only reason I paid for her to come to Canada is because she accepted my proposal! What I am asking her now is to set the date and give the amount of cost for a wedding!” When I told that to Olga she got very nerves and scared. So she told Steve that she feels like she is pushed into a corner and has to say Okay just because he did no olga007 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/17/2011 2:07:11 PM   whom it may concern, Dear sir/madam I, Inga Hanson of Fort Nelson BC Canada, would like to describe a relationship between Olga Esperova and Steve Clark from what I witnessed. Some time at the beginning of July 2011 a lady from Fort Nelson asked me to help her neighbour to communicate on the phone with a Russian lady from Ukraine that he met online. I agreed, so I gave her my number. A couple days later a man called me, introduced himself as Steve Clark and we set a date for a phone call. When we met in person he told me his story how he went to Ukraine to see a few girls he met online. He showed me some of the pictures of him with those ladies. He said they were all nice ladies and they'd all be happy to have him, but he chose Olga because he could feel this great connection between them. So he said they applied for a visitation visa for Olga in order to show her some places in Canada, show her his home and if she will like it here in the fall he was planning to go back to Ukraine to meet Olga's parents and propose to her. At that point they were really concentrated on getting a visa so that what the conversations on the phone were mostly about. Steve knew how poor Olga was so he said he'd cover all the expenses: paperwork, summer camp for her daughter, English lessons for Olga, trips to Kiev etc. But every time she needed money for this purpose it was a challenge for her to get it but every time she spent any of his money she sent him all the receipts. Steve was pretty impressed of her honesty but still did not trust her. Once Olga asked me to translate that she was upset that Steve called her English teacher to make sure she really does take lessons even though he sent him receipts from school. He woke up the teacher with his call at a very early hour and she was not very happy with Olga and asked her to avoid involving her in her personal life. Surprisingly soon Olga got an invitation for a visa interview and Steve had a hard time to understand how come she has to be there for an interview in person . Iif that could be done over the phone it could save him some money. So Olga told him it was not her choice to make but a request from Embassy that she could not do anything about. So he gave her barely enough money for the trip, the interview went successful and she got a visa. With the visa came more requests. During one of our calls Olga asked me to ask Steve about a checklist of things Embassy requested for her to have. She said she sent Steve this list and under a paragraph 3 she had to have at list $ 1000 cash in order to enter Canada. Olga did not have the money. Steve already had the list for a few days but he ignored the money problem like if he'd wait a bit longer it would go away. So when I asked him about it for Olga he exclaimed: “More money?!!!" even though he knew she needs it. That he started making up stories how hard it is to send money through Western Union and that he has to send $35 at a time otherwise they rip you off etc. But Olga explained to him that she is going to return this full amount to him as soon as she is in Canada. So Steve made sure they orange that it was possible to do so and then he finely sent it. When time came to send Olga's daughter to camp and buy a train ticket for Olga and again the same problem. He told her to pay for everything from $1000 he gave her and he'd replace it just before she leaves. This way he'd send the exact amount and make sure he does not overspend. Finally that part was over and Olga came to Canada. On August 10 Steve and his daughter met Olga at the airport in Calgary; they traveled in Alberta for a couple of days and as soon as they got to Fort Nelson in the evening of august 14 they stopped by and Steve introduced us. I noticed Olga had only sandals on and the temperature outside was only + 8 C. She said her feet were freezing all 4 days because she forgot her runners and she was telling Steve she needs to by shoes. She pointed at her practically bare feet ,said : "Cold" but Steve said: "no-no it's Okay" and refused to take her to the store. Then I told him he needs to take her to the store and get at list a chip pair of shoes, that she can't have bare feet for the rest of her stay. But the next day when they arrived at my house for a dinner she still had same sandals on. Anyway we were having a dinner and they were telling me about their trip. Olga was impressed by Steve’s daughter that she seemed to get along with just great ;they had a few laphs together. Steve was absolutely thrilled by Olga's sense of humor. Everything was fine until Steve said he'd like to discuss the details of the wedding. He got me to ask Olga what date in October she'd like to get married, what kind and how big she wanted a wedding and how much it's going to approximately cost. And Olga was surprised by these questions. She was not ready for that. She said that every time Steve insisted to get married in October she answered that it was too early to set any dates yet and certainly not that close. She said she liked Steve very much and she appreciates his effort to show her how beautiful Canada is but she needed to spend more time with Steve together before she is able to make such a decision. She said she did not feel like they were on a level of relationship were people get married. When I translated it to Steve he got very mad. He started screaming at me: “What are you talking about?!!! I am not proposing to her now! That step has already been done back in Ukraine and she accepted! That is done. The only reason I paid for her to come to Canada is because she accepted my proposal! What I am asking her now is to set the date and give the amount of cost for a wedding!” When I told that to Olga she got very nerves and scared. So she told Steve that she feels like she is pushed into a corner and has to say Okay just because he did no RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/17/2011 10:14:09 PM   I have nearly given up on this forum. I am however responding because of the response and expression and point of view of a real woman. The advice on this site is weighted on scammers prior to meeting and immediate failure at the first meeting. When you have progressed to having relations and bringing a woman to your country, there are real economic, statutory and cultural requirements that must be adhered to. So many here fail at this stage and in fact do not even understand. I was embarrassed for this man and his behavior. I have shared my experience and the hospitality shown to me on my first meeting from my lady's mother. I shared how we returned to her home after an excursion, to find her mother on the floor with a broken hip. Since that time, her mother has passed away from complications of that injury. The "Usual Suspects" and the ones that give the advice that leads to failure shared their disrespectful and negative comments. Their cruelty and ignorance has no effect on me, but the man that this posting is about clearly does not have the same clarity. The only advice I can give him is, stand back and view these events as they transpired,,, then think,,,, How would you advise your daughter if she was exposed to such situation and such a man and his prospects as a husband. And for the Magpies that only loose in every aspect of their lives and dish out bad advise Fuck off. I have grown tired of this and lost all my charm!!!!! Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/17/2011 10:30:32 PM   I can't be bothered to read and dicect all of Olga007's account but from what I read she is pinting this Steve character to be blacker than black and the Olga character whiter than white ..... That sounds too good to be true and if it sounds too good to be true then it normally is! RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/17/2011 10:40:34 PM   Ivor: The specifics of either account are irrelevant. The reality is, a man, a woman, half a world apart with 2 governments, distrust and disappointment standing in their way. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/17/2011 10:54:45 PM   Rodan, I didn't read it in full but, to visit/emigrate to Canada I'd suggest there is only one government involved ... the Ukrainian government couldn't give a shit if she comes or goes! But, to enter Canada requiring CAD1,000, then she had to be travelling on a pure tourist visa, I don't know Canadian immigration but in UK if she comes on a pure tourist visa and the authorities get even a shiff of a man being involved then they'll reject the visa ... the man should sponsor the visa. I'd say this Steve character acted naively having not investigated sufficiently ... but as for this Ukrainian/Russian woman being whiter than white ... Well what do you think? :) RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/17/2011 11:27:47 PM   Ivor: I did not read much of the posts. It was enough for me that he met her, sent for her, exposed her to his daughter and regardless of why, she had no shoes in cold weather that could have become down right cold. Certainly, relations would have gone cold at that point. Being naive does not excuse inhospitable behavior. Returning her healthy and safely home was his responsibility regardless of how well they got on. It is the same when a man goes to visit in the FSU Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/17/2011 11:38:02 PM   Rodan, She's from Ukraine, they do have winters in Ukraine, where did she think she was going ... Canada is not exactly in the tropics. Does she wear sandals during winter in Ukraine? ... Of course she doesn't so why does she wear sandals during winter in Canada? I'd guesstimate that she knew exactly what she was doing, she deliberately left appropriate clothing at home to go on those expensive shopping trips that so many of us are familiar with! Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/18/2011 5:55:47 AM   I have to agree with RT here. Too bad that this girl will have a skewed (or maybe not) idea of what western men are like. And no doubt she will share her experience with others. With a task that is not so easy to begin with it makes it all the more difficult when men are just not up to standard. You can get a couple of cheap pairs of shoes for what Steve spends on a case of beer. And no doubt he does. A woman who travels to your country is taking a HUGE risk. And they come completely at your mercy. There is no way to know if someone is a jerk or just plain ignorant until you take that risk and visit. This girl took the risk. And whether or not steve is a jerk ot sure sounded like it. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/18/2011 6:15:20 AM   Ralph, You believe everything a, quote, "Wal-Mart" Ukrainian woman utters or might there be two sides to a story? lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/18/2011 11:36:03 PM   I started reading both of the long stories and gave up, I'm too tired and busy for it. But you guys are also missing something,,,, if she fills her luggage with things she needs for the trip,,,, she won't have enough room to take home all of the things she is expecting to receive?? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/19/2011 2:59:57 AM   Olga007, How about if Steve had made Olga some gifts, perhaps shoes, from Driftwood, not only shoes, perhaps a picture frame, perhaps a seat for a crapper, would this have made a difference? lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/19/2011 3:24:58 AM   I pitty the ones you've found!!! DUNT tries to send them home via Air mail!!! beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/19/2011 12:18:59 PM   " DUNT tries to send them home via Air mail!!! " And in a coffin at that!!! Made from real driftwood I hear...... Anybody check the obituaries recently!! lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/19/2011 3:52:11 PM   Not wanting to buy even a cheap pair of shoes is very bad, from any view point. But take the shoes out of the equation, then you just have two people who didn’t do their homework very well! We are also hearing part of the story from an outsider, who was not there from the very beginning! Who knows,,,, maybe he thought he was already engaged ?? We all have heard about the; “pro” daters and pro shoppers, but there are also the pro vacationers!! They will either go on a vacation together, or to see his home. Every penny being spent by the man! In the mind of the typical Russian/Ukrainian girl,,,, sex should be payment enough??? We should also consider this story could be completely bogus???? An attempt to show us men to open up our pocket books a little more,,,,,,, don’t be so stingy,,,, or you will lose her!!!! How did this Canadian woman stumble across this forum??? Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Olga Esperova on Elenas models 9862588 Zaporozhye Ukraine dob june 20 1977
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