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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > A Little Suspicious: Author Post KR Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/7/2004 8:27:55 PM   wtrav02, Please fill me in on the cheap phone cards to call Russia!! Thanks jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 5:16:39 AM   Thanks for the advice wtrav. She had asked me for details concerning how her mother might come to America and I was unfamiliar with the way that things worked regarding that issue. The information you provide is especially helpful. Lastest news: (Subtitle: How I seem to be cutting my own throat.) I may not have mentioned it before but my Moldovans don't actually live in the same city. The one I know best (but with who lives alone with mom and keeps asking for money) lives in Chisinau, the other lives in a smaller city. Understandably, the one I know the best does not want me to contact the other. But I am doing it anyway, without telling her. The one I know least, knows I am also communicating with the other. I am taking MrBill79's advice and have decided to visit Moldova in midSpring. The one I know best is absolutely thrilled at my decision - she is currently looking for a place for me to stay and putting together plans for us - ans she has no idea that I intend to see the other as well to make a life's decision. The one I know least, knows I am coming and that I will be staying in Chisinau. She also knows that the other does not know of my intent to see her. She is not pleased, because she does not know how it will work out. I am in trouble deep. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 5:22:23 AM   Jet, Didn’t follow this thread, sorry being late? Couple of things: - she’s been given $200 for a TV, and this is at present unused she says (?). Also it would seem (I hunch here) that this was some time ago. This is an easy one to check: instruct her to use this money to have the power switched back on. If she’s incapable of doing this she’s spent the money, and this should give you your answer regarding your sponsorship and whether you should continue. Lighting without power is very possible, large parts of the world still use (you must have forgotten them :) cheap candles. I would rather ask what source of energy they use for heating (winter there), and also for cooking. The latter however even I use LPG or Paraffin for sometimes, so be careful to draw conclusions on this one only. - Same girl seems to answer the phone at any given time. Check if this number is not a cellular one. One way of doing this is phoning your own international operator and have a 3-way chat with the Moldovan equivalent (you yourself will not get through to this number). They can give you surprising details regarding the number you specify, maybe even call-forwarding settings (don’t know). If it’s a cellular number you should have all the answers you’re looking for. This means is a dear luxury hardly required by her if I read correct. - She’s not really working but for stints only. Where does the money come from for living off? This fact sounds dodgy to me Jet, and now you’ve sent money, making life suddenly ‘easier’. I also hunch this is the one you’ve been sleeping with, and this might trouble your view a bit. C’mon pal, you, with all your studies, surely know all the proper terminology regarding this phenomena? Don’t fool yourself, this is no reason to get sentimental about or a ground to prefer the one over the other. What’s your age again ;-))) ? In fact, that other one sounds nicer to me by what you describe. Arranging a visa for her is nice of course, but you going there has advantages you loose when she comes to you. One crucial thing still is you have not seen her living conditions, and with it confirmed she’s honest with you. Her family, friends, work (?), (relative) living standard, all these things one needs to see, to check on if you wish, and also you can conclude yourself if (ever) she will need your (remote) financial help this way. I’ve said it before Jet – you go to her first, and you have not yet. Regarding the other one, going there would mean you could visit both! Nothing wrong with, you saw both before, and doing this may soothe your own feelings by what you may see. Damn well check on that TV is she says she’s bought it, or power off or whatever, and I’d be very curious to the impression you will get in this specific household. In this case seeing would be believing – but now instead you’re going to invite 1 to you? Not clever Jet, at least that’s what I think. And wasn’t that what you were asking for? ;-) jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 5:25:36 AM   If everything falls apart here in my hands (which might actually be a foregone conclusion). I intend to visit Odessa again during summer. (I'll be in debt deep too). Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 5:32:51 AM   "I am in trouble deep" - hey, show some backbone, and tell both WHY you will visit both? You want the best one for you don't you? Nothing wrong with some competition, it's a free world. And yes, it will be a useless visit if you already think it will go wrong. Surely you also know Murphy? ;-)) jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 5:40:26 AM   Thanks Thunder: You advice is well taken. Actually I sent the money to restore power a day or so ago. I suspect (though I have no proof) that she actually had the pwer restored with some of the money I sent for the TV. And she replenished the TV funds with the money I sent for power restoration. I know that she has not purchased a TV yet (she talks of doing that this week). She lives in a different world than I do where times are tough and unemployment is high. She tells me that she makes enough money to live but for nothing special. And I suspect that to be the case. Regarding the occupation you refer to above, I suspect it is more prevalent, in such economically depressed cultures than most of us suspect, but I hesitate to pass judgement until I know more than I do. Seeing is knowing. And I intend to visit, as detailed above, to learn all that I can. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 5:49:48 AM   I suppose I could have ended my "I am in trouble deep." with a :) or some other cutesy reference (which I generally hate) to get the way I meant that across. I have experienced situations, though, where women (especially those who were friends for five years previously as these two were) can be difficult to each other in competition. Add to that the fact that I will be depending on these women to get me around etc. in a country where do not know the language (either Russian or Moldovan) aand that has none of the niceties of an established tourist industry. (There is virtually none in Moldova.) Ukraine and the organized trip had advantages in that regard. Potentially ticklish situations could occur. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 5:56:59 AM   Thunder: Also I know that she does not have a cell phone. There is a different numbering system. (Besides she has asked me for a cell phone compaining that "Everyone has one.") Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 6:19:22 AM   Jet, You know what I would do? Visit the other one first, not he one you know/like(?) best. This one you need to check up on mainly, find out who she is. At the other one you have less to check, and these things seem simpler I’d say. And if you find here the conditions (power, money for tv etc) do not fit her story (I hunch they will, sorry) you could go back to the first. Doing this will thrill her I’m sure, but also would suit you better I suppose. Point is Jet, this visit probably means a goodbye for one from you, and don’t return to familiar grounds first. Also, your hormone-levels then play a role, and irrespective of what happens will work in your advantage this way – or do I need to draw you a picture? ;-)) Just read your lastest posts: FFS Jet, how old are you? Dive in at the deep end for once, if that is what you thinking (you’re being silly now, and you know it!). You’re a guy, not a woman, so show it. What IF you will have to be alone, not able to speak a word with anyone (doubtful anyway)? Ever considered this could be fun? Have a joll man, go for it, it is a challenge (is it?), it’s bleddy Europe man, not Papua New Guinea. Oh, and the way I see it these women ‘depend’ on YOU, not the other way around in this case. Just WHAT are you afraid for? Take TC’s and a goldcard – what can go wrong??? Wtrav, speak to this guy, seems he needs it? Nothing wrong with wanting a cellphone, but it just ‘adds’ to the picture Jet, sorry. Just realize you will have to fit the (substantial?) bills. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 7:42:41 AM   Thunder: First of all - TCs are useless in Moldova. Heavy fees, ridiculous waits, and that's on the occasion you find a place to cash them. (You ought to know that.) Gold cards aren't much better. Yes, this is Europe but its not the UK. It may as well be New Guinee. (Hey Chechnia is in Europe too. Care to holiday there?). Regardless of my age, I don't deny that hormones play a part. Haven't quite experienced that drop-off age yet, where the muscles go lax and the brain goes feeble. One girl lives in a tiny town a considerable distance from the airport. Only way there is by bus with a transfer that is perpetually overcrowded and notoriously difficult for an only-English speaker to even by a ticket for. The advice is well taken that I must inform the "one I like better" that I intend to visit the other. For reference on the uniqueness of traveling in this "European" country get a copy of Tony Hawks' (your countryman) "Playing The Moldovans At Tennis". Its a good laugh as well as a read. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 7:54:50 AM   "Dive into the deep end" - Thunder?? How much deeper do you want? wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 11:59:44 AM   KR, the phone card we've been using is called "EUROMAMA" distributed by www.ldpost.com or 800-210-7635. They are printed in pre-paid units of $10 each. Phone calls to Kharkov are about 11c per minute which is almost a third the rate of the phone company. Kiev and Dnipropetrofsk have even cheaper rates. There are no connection fees or other charges and the connection quality is good. Another card is “TELETZAR” in pre-paid units of $5 each. This one is also distributed by ldpost. The rate for phone calls to Kharkov is about 15c. You can buy these at any Russian supermarket in the USA. Usually Russians live in the same area of the city, so if you find that area of the city and you visit you'll find numerous stores that are owned and operated by Russians and sell imported items from Russia, Ukraine, etc. People speak Russian in the store and many are even dressed like in Russia. Yesterday, we saw this old woman who was wrapped in clothes and had her head wrapped as well with scurf just like old Soviet women did. It makes a nice Saturday morning custom for us visiting that part of the town for shopping. Yulia gets to speak her own language for a while and I find it interesting as well. So, back to the phone cards. There are many other brands and if you go to yellow pages on the net, you'll find Russian stores selling these. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 12:12:31 PM   Jet, Chechnia for a holiday – nah, don’t think so, it’s as attractive as Nigeria at the moment :)) But even there TC’s can be used, if only at the airport. But most Banks do, and major hotels will accept CC. The word is major, and also these tend to accept TC’s. But yeah, an apartment will be cash no doubt, and if you go rural you’ll need some dough. If it makes you feel better don’t use a wallet and spread your moneys in different pockets, only one gets robbed usually. Talking of which, of course you will get robbed when buying a busticket alone, but even when the guy asks you triple – so what? I love the expression on other’s faces when this happens, and sometimes they actually help you – part of the fun. But come on now, surely she (the far one) will come and welcome you at the airport (and don’t you tell the other one when you will arrive there, and tell the far one only she knows)? This way you won’t have to do any transport-negotiations. The other one could wait for you at the busterminal when you return I suppose, basically phone her in advance. “How much deeper do you want?” Hey, by the sounds you make it looks you’re going to swim – enjoy the water ;-)) Oh, TH hardly comes close to being a fellow countryman, but I’ll shop around for that book. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 1:42:23 PM   Thunder: Remember I've been to Ukraine, and ridden the taxis and minibusses. I always found it cheaper to have one of my girls negotiate the price - but even then she would usually get a price of 10 grieva (a little under $2) where without negotiations the most I ever paid (with a car full on a long ride) was 50 grieva (about $9). Hard to beat prices like that. And as far as cash was concerned - I used only new uncrinkled American money. I suspected that the new American $20 bill with the multicolors (you may have seen it) wouldn't be accepted. And it wasn't. I saw other guys pleading at exchange windows that the stuff was good. The cashiers only shook their heads. I always kept the majority of my money in a money belt under my shirt. But a tiny ammount was always in my wallet to satisfy a would-be thief. TH is from Sussex. Where are you from? mrbill79 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 8:23:08 PM   Hi Jet, Good to hear that you are going to Moldova. Have fun. I found Moldovan wine and champagne to be excellent. You are thinking of staying in a separate flat? Price negotioans. I found it cheapest to be nowhere in the picture when price negotiations were going on for taxis and such. If you have to be present, keep your mouth shut. They will know you are a foreigner, but might not charge as much if they do not know where you are from. Great idea to keep cash in different places on your person. I kept a smaller amount in a more easily accessible place just for pick-pockets, bribes or militia/GAI shakedowns. Once I found I could trust the woman I was visiting, I let her carry the bulk of the days cash. My advice would be to let them both know what you are doing. Honesty pays in the long run. Eastern European women hate to be "betrayed" or deceived. Action counts bigtime with these women. Remember that they have the concept of the "strong" man. Hesitancy or perceived weakness will kill you. mrbill79 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2004 8:24:12 PM   Price "negotiations" :) KR Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/9/2004 1:36:41 AM   wtrav02, Please elaborate a bit about the "very cheap phone cards to call Russia." I would like to take advantage of a good deal. To speak with my lady more often would be jouous! KR Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/9/2004 1:39:27 AM   wtrav02, Please disregard second message. My crazy computer did not display either my request or your response... jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/9/2004 3:34:58 AM   MrBill: I found that looking the part was also important when I was in Ukraine in order not to be taken advantage of. I happen to like black leather jackets for cold weather and brought two along. It was a good thing becasue I found that EVERY Russian guy wore the same style of black leather jacket. The other American guys on the trip were easily identifiable - because they were all wearing bright colored ski jackets and white tennis shoes (Russians/Ukrainians wear black shoes with a uniquely pointed toe). Having generally similar facial features, as I do, didn't hurt either. It seemed that I blended in pretty well on the trip, until I spoke, which my lady advised me not to do on rare occasions. My confidence in looking the part was greatly enhanced when a Russian guy approached me, with map in hand, and asked me for directions. gladiatorUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/9/2004 4:42:17 AM   Jet.......gave me a smile to read about your disguise in Ukraine,and I agree entirely,"looking the part" helps so much.Speaking some helps too,even if it's with a little help from your lady or even a phrase book. It never fails to amaze me just how "obvious" some guys look over there,and as I'm sure you know in certain parts of Ukraine that is asking for trouble. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > A Little Suspicious:
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