Martin and Nasfan, stop polluting this forum with irrelevant rubbish and personal attacks and talk about practical things like "how to avoid getting scammed?" or" how do you know you have the right girl?" or "How do you keep a western/fsu marriage together?" or "useful info about the FSU culture and how not to stuff up over there?"..blow your chances by what they consider odd behaviour like wearing shoes in the girls apartment.
I have some friends from Eastern Europe here and I have been taking my shoes off at their door for more than 2 decades..shoe removal is not new to me before one enters someones home.
didn't YOU have the chance to respond for over 3 years? The Norman closed it then, you've had your chance I'd say.
Never mind yer name in the title ma China, but the current buts have zilch to do with you!
Go play some darts will ya - Mate?
Aussieman, make a trip first then tell me about scammers. Tell me about the lifestyle they live besides doing a google search. It real easy to keep a FSU and Western marriage together, you act like a man, you keep your promises, you treat her well and with respect.
How to find a real woman, with common sense. Find a woman who has the same values and goals in life. You make it sound like this is some incredible journey in life some huge mystery. Why would you treat a woman from Ukraine or any where in the world than you would in your own home area? Unless you consider you're doing them some kind of favor by taking them from a third world country. By trying to bribe them with your economic status as you have tried to do with buying them things and requiring strings attached. Then call them scammers. If you don't send money you don't get scammed.
Finding the right girl shouldn't be any different than in your home country. I chose the FSU because of the current mentality of women in the States. Their victims or feminists and the ones that are of solid core values are married and have been for years.
Be willing to accept the responsibility that you will have to help them for the first year or so with their adjustment. Be willing to sacrifice your time and your needs to theirs. Set aside that she will not be in the work force for at least a year, or design a business that she can be involved in so she feels like she is a contributor. In other words don't be so damned selfish. When you find the right girl it is an amazing experience. The only regret I have is I didn't meet her 20 years ago.
So the practical things you speak about, you know very little about. Learn their history and culture. Taking one's shoes off going into a house isn't only in their culture. It's not only taking off one's shoes but wearing Tahpkey. Stocking feet doesn't cut it. Learn the Holidays that are important to them. Celebrate two Christmas', we did. Besides womans day. Learn about their religion.
Scanning the google universe doesn't quite bring to the table the practical experience of going there. If you are worried about spending money, this isn't for you. I remember a fellow Aussie here named Idiot Detector asking me what I would do if this fizzled out. I told him I would travel the Country and see things. Hell you can spend an easy two weeks seeing the historical side of Kiev and not be close to seeing it all. You don't need to see 20 women, having a backup plan is okay, but if you have done your research and corresponded by more than letters you know if it's going to be right or not and if there is going to be potential.
For the Irish intellect on the previous Page, In Gaelic or Irish language it is spelled Doire, not Dhoire.
Derry is used by the republic, where the British use Londonderry. There was no formal county of Derry preceeding Londonderry. This my friend is 8 years of research on ancestry.com and through my current and past living relatives. The May family has roots also in Kerry. My great Uncle John May was killed in the St. Valentines Day Massacre. This is what made me interested in my family history. Next Comment Irish Einstein.
Since you listed PM's in other threads besides this one, I have no issue now with posting in the forum. I would have left well enough alone, but you're not that smart, so since you posted the PM's not only in this thread but in others, I feel it's all fare game again. It's your silly MO. So you cry to the moderators about stopping PM's you can't handle the pressure or the truth. You're truly a sad case.
Land of Oz I would truly enjoy a personal meeting to discuss his references of my wife being a dyke and a Tart. He always wants apologies from other people but he doesn't give the same in kind. He hasn't the character to keep the women out of it since it's his cowardly nature.
Olegnay I've kept it in PM's but it gets broadcasted here. Which is fine I have no problem saying what's on my mind, but I wanted to keep it off the boards. It's something that needs to get resolved. I will bring nothing up further on this in the forum.
Well Gregory,
I'm leaving home in 50 minutes from now to travel and stay in Ukraine until 03 January.
Because I have a Ukrainian lady I have accurate information and not the journalist hype one sees on TV.
Re-elections are on 26th December, OK, the result should be the correct one this time but should the election be 'fixed' again then I do have concerns.
But, at the end of the day, the people do not have a problem with me, the Americans or whatever. This is a civil matter and who knows, if I joined them out on the streets waving orange flags they might welcome me with open arms.
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Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out
They leave the west behind
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
That Georgia's always on my my my my my my my my my mind
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Send: 08.12.2004 2:50:43
Thanks Shaggy and others,
One thing that was pleasing, I received a couple of very ladylike replies to the effect 'thank you for your attention but please look for another lady'. I know all about the FSU culture but it is a long time since I've met such politeness on the internet!
Yep, I guess the scammers must be here as everywhere but like everywhere, if you're searching in the under 25, drop dead gorgeous category then you're at high risk with a decreasing risk the older the age and the lesser the looks.
Anyway, I'm in Ukraine 18 December until 03 January thus still hunting!
Thanks again guys
Yep you were still Hunting, hunting straight to the lady from Zaporozhye, then in a couple of weeks you were married, Liar and Fraud.
Olegnay I've kept it in PM's but it gets broadcasted here. Which is fine I have no problem saying what's on my mind, but I wanted to keep it off the boards. It's something that needs to get resolved. I will bring nothing up further on this in the forum.
"LONDON (Reuters) - A man sprinted onto a runway at London's Heathrow airport on Thursday, the day before Queen Elizabeth was due to open its giant new Terminal Five, the second major security breach in less than a month.
Police arrested the man and blew up his bag in a controlled explosion but found no bomb. A spokeswoman said police did not believe the incident was terrorism-related, although they were still not certain of the man's motive.
The world's busiest international airport has been the target of protests from environmentalists angered at both the opening of the new terminal and further plans to boost traffic with the addition of a third runway and a sixth terminal.
"I can confirm that at approximately 2:05 p.m. a man was seen airside at Heathrow airport on the northern runway. He's been arrested by police and he's currently in custody," a police spokesman said."
Ahem..... Err....Ummm..... Martin?
Are you... okay....?
Not that I would presume anything..... I mean there are A LOT of guys in London - even, no doubt, others who have tried to hijack airplanes with cigarette lighters.....
jetmba,
The only reason that I would ever wish to visit terminal 5 at Heathrow is once they have
G-BOAB positioned inside the terminal.
Indeed I avoid Heathrow as much as I possibly can, the place is a nightmare, give me a regional airport any day!
OK, not since 2001 have I worked airside at an airport but were I to commit an 'aviation offence' or indeed be caught smuggling then I would never be permitted an airport ID card ever again, would be somewhat foolish of me don't you think?
And, just for the record, I do not live anywhere near London.