Thanks for the information steeleman.I'm leaving next week to bring my Ukrainian scammer to the states. As for claiming who said Aussie men had the most difficult time it was me. I have heard it from many men down under.
Now about the scammers you have listed. Well a prudent check on these women, you would have discovered that they are listed on a few anti scam sites.
So for your bad experiences or lack preparation and prudent exercise of judgement all Russian/Ukrainian women are scammers. You're pretty reckless with your accusations. First and foremost my misguided friend, fiance.com is
is not an agency. What did you expect them to do for you once you landed in Ukraine? Hold your hand, bring the women to your hotel? How many of them did you have an actual conversation with prior to leaving for Ukraine? Sorry Pal,the girl I'm with is very real, very intelligent and very down to earth. Maybe you should look at finding one real one first before playing the russian roulette dating game and spending your five grand to go there.
Wow five grand and it's only a months work! And if I need advice on what charity I will spend my money on, it will be my charity at home for my family.
Well Steeleman, I far from bald, I'm not fat, weird can be a self imposed definition. I have no problem finding women in America, but in the 47 year old age group they either have too much baggage or too much prozac or both.
I didn't go chasing after someone half my age. I barely spent over 5000 on two trips to visit my lady in Ukraine. Funny she showed up everytime. Actually showed up each time after that. Each time I go I spend time with her family and friends. She could care less about money. What I really enjoy about you kind of guys, is that now you have failed for whatever reason you did, you wish failure for others. Maybe an attitude adjustment is what is needed in your life. What I have learned about Ukrainian women is they have this incredible knack of seeing through a guys bullshit and avoiding him like the plague. You failed to prepare, so from the onset you were prepared to fail. Sorry about your luck pal. Maybe paying more attention to your environment and less bragging about how much money you dropped in one trip would help you a bit. The good women over in Ukraine are looking for something more deeper than a guys pockets.
Im really sorry for your bad FSU experience:(( You sound so bitter, so disappointed, so much wounded that's why you're laying stress on the amount of money spent on the trip, aren't you? You are very far from bragging, its obvious. You've just tried to find some support and sympathy, haven't you?
"Trouble shared trouble halved"... This is what you've been craving for from how I can see the situation. You definitely need some time to lick your wounds, cool down, find yourself again, don't you? relax for a while and let your affected aggressiveness ,carelessness and exaggeratness go, OK? And please remember "Nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience wisely" (Auguste Rodin, French)
But people here seem a bit lack of "soft wires" in their hearts, unfortunately.
Please take into consideration that the moderators have edited or deleted some or all of Steeleman's more aggressive posts thus by reading what you see at the moment does not give you a clear indication of what has been said or what is being responded to.
Interesting thing you just pointed out Martin. Does that explain why when I count the number of replies in a thread it doesn't match up with the number listed on the main forum page? The moderators are deleting the threads they find offensive? If that is the case then they delete a lot of threads because I have counted on some to the other subject threads and it seems most don't match up with the number of replies. Hmmmmmmm.
1. I am no promoter of fiance.com, there are so many sites around of a similar nature that one doesn't need to dedicate himself to one particular site. Although I do have to say that at USD29.99 per month one could subscribe to fiance.com for approximately 13 years and 10 months for the money you've just blown on your posse of scammers. Yes, most of the Americans here today would be old, fat and bald by then, just the way you like them!
2. Thank you for your guided tour of developed European countries, yes, indeed I am a national of these countries, it's called the European Union for numbskulls that don't know any better!
3. Previously, with your couldn't care less attitude, 'hey, USD5000 is nothing, it's only a month's salary' but repeatedly you complain the cost of your air travel was USD2800, well that's only 16 days salary so where's the problem? You previously stated that the airfare from UK is GBP300, get it right, I'm going next week and I've paid GBP187 and guess what, she'll be there to meet me!
4. Yes. if as Nasfan6 pointed out, all of your 'chicks' are already internet blacklisted for scamming then it is your fault, nobody elses, yours!
5. No, it is not bullshit to have never had a no-show, perhaps Steelemanshit but not bullshit, I've lived and worked in Australia, I know how Australian women dislike their men, particularly regarding body odour, I got on very well there, I use deodorant!
6. You might have been writing to ladies for months but did it occur to you, just once, to utilise a search engine such as google.com or mail.ru , you were probably too busy counting the cents towards your USD2800 air fare and your train fares for that!
7. Thew remainder of your post is either repeating previous bullshit or announcing new bullshit. You expect the entire world to speak Australian and what the fock were you doing in train stations, the rest of us use airports but I guess you can't afford to travel like the rest of us and you have to take the train ..... you sad basket!
I googled on the names you gave and didn't actually find any on any blacklist site. That's not to say they aren't there. Just that they didn't show up with a simple google. I did find a mention of one being blacklisted - but if you follow the link - you end up HERE in our humble forum of fiance.com.
I did see the profile of one of your women, the first one, 20 years old, an absolute goddess. I think you were a victim of the truism "If something seems WAY TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE it probably is...."
I don't know how old you are or what you look like - but unless you are Brad Pitt and maybe in your early 30's this lady was probably out of your league. Even in Ukraine an absolute 10 goddess is not going to be falling all over herself to meet just any guy who flies in. Scammers DO tend to use the most gorgeous pictures available - and since that;s just about what these are - you probably WERE scammed.
That's not to say that all women here are scammers, but maybe a few absolutely, gorgeous, model quality goddesses ARE.
Suggestion - be realistic. You can get a much younger and more beautiful woman in Ukraine than you might qualify for in your home country - but if you think the creme-de-la-creme, the most perfect looking woman is going to fall at your feet just for you showing up - well you are more gullible than most. And if you are going to waste $5,000 thinking that you have FOUR gorgeous goddesses at you command - well I have some swamp land I'd like to sell you if you happen to have another month's salary to spend.
Look for an wonderful, beautiful woman in Ukraine possibly 20 years younger than yourself. THAT is, believe it or not,REALISTIC. But to have 4 perfect gorgeous goddesses on your arm for just showing up - that isn't realistic.
You said you got laid a little while after getting back to Australia. Earlier you said "anyway fuck this I am about to delete my profile, cancell my card payments and go home and fuck a fat lazy australian woman. at least I can be home in 10 minutes afterwards."
Question:the girl who you laid,was she fat and lazy?
Let me insert my 5 cents in...
Luckily we've met a man like that Mr Australia just once. And this one time happened just because everything was arranged without our notice. Such "smartasses" thisnk that they are so cool after reading half of this forum that they can prevent any scam. In order to make this they.
1) Write right letters(dozens of questions, maximum suspicions, no belief in feelings over the internet). From the very first letter they claim that all this correspondence is bulshit and he is writing to her because in 1 month he is coming to her city.
2) Such guys never send any flowers to girls. Very rarely talk on the phone. Motivation: "Half of them are scammers. When I meet them all and taste their credibility may be then I will begin this romance stuff."
3) They never let the agencies interfere in their travel plans. What? that crooks want to rip me for a few hundreds? Ha-ha! I know the right hotel in Kiev to live in! They won't get a cent from me!
4)They are sheduling one meeting every 1-2 days with a new girl "to ensure themselves".
Finally what they got...
1) A girl is writing to such a prick just to have one extra chance "for some case". He is frightening her, she doesn't understand what he wants, thinks he is a maniac, a sex tourist, a stingy disgusting looser(what he is in fact). If the girl is corresponding through an agency I give you my word that she would ask her manager-translator what she thinks professionaly of this guy. And I promise you that she will hear some dry neutral phrases in the best variant while most guys ususally deserve very good comments.
2)Agencies don't like scandalists and stingy smartasses. They won't bother to assist sucha person if he comes on his own. a) He has not paid anything while usually one day of a tour with an agency is not less than 100$. 2) An agency owner usually makes nothing or almost nothing on assigning his interpreter for a foreigner. If it is a part of a personal tour - that's all right but why should they send their worker to serve somebody for several days? No reasons.
Finally this prick will anyway be left unsattisfied because he thinks that all this "dating MOB" owes him something just because they are affiliated with fiance.com .
3) When a week before his coming our Mr Big Ego writes to his 4-5 chosen objects that they are sheduled to meet his majesty on this, this and this day of the week, the girls usually get frightenned and perplexed. What's going on? Isn't he coming to meet me only, to spend all his time with me? What the hell this business lunch on Wednesday mean? he is definitely a sex tourist and came here to fuck a dozen women for cheap!.
Remember all the women want to be Cindirellas, princesses, THE OONE'S AND ONLY'S. Actually I wouldn't respect a woman who agrees to be one in the raw. As Jet trully admitted, if you are not a Brad Pitt of course.
That's harsh but an asshole who wants to fool all the world and comes to the damned UKraine-Moldova-Russia as to a cheap candy shop will lose and, thanks God, that he will lose. A fat ugly Australian Kangaroo - the best variant for him.
Dating is dating, it is not dry mathematics. it is romance, beautiful words, letters, feelings at last. For some reason from all the dozens people coming to Vitebs to meet our girls only one was rejected from the first sight because the trip was sheduled 3 months in advance and in these 3 months they could not correspond. The girl found a boyfriend soon and was intending to get married.
All the rest guys did get plenty attention from their ONE chosen lady ahd no complaints and we were happy as well. A month ago A French "smartass" called me and talled that he IS coming to Vitebsk on the 17th of December and wants us to introduce him to girls(the more the better). "I am a busy lawyer, I ahve no time for all that letter stuff but I have enough money to pay you". I simply rejected him. A girl of value will not meet this guy and as for the prostitus that will gladly agree to this - I simply don't know them.