I have built up a certain amount of experience now in corresponding and visiting ladies in Ukraine. Unfortunately I am starting to come to the conclusion that the vast majority are either scam merchants or basically just money grabbers. Or am I being over cynical here?
Of the ones that I have visited in Ukraine, I invariably found that it was very hard to actually set up a meeting, almost as though I was getting in the way of their life despite the fact that I had just travelled thousands of miles and had previously arranged to see them! One example being in Odessa when I had told this girl the date I was due to arrive. Days before my arrival she then told me that she was going to go to a friends party on the Saturday day that I arrived and then was going to work the next 2 days. How is that for disrespectful!
Does anyone have any views as to how many of these ladies are actually genuine? I am getting very close to completely giving up on what initially seemed a marvellous idea of finding a beautiful Ukrainian lady!
I do not think the % is very high. I have experienced a similiar thing myself and am quite a veteran at this business despite only being 30 having now been to Ukraine 4 times (once for 3 months) and having had 2 relationships with Ukrainian girls, one which lasted 3 years and involved her coming to the UK on 3 separate occasions, and the other which lasted about 6 months and ended this summer.
My opinion in answer to your question is that there are some girls out there who are genuine, but I would estimate that of the really attractive profiles "on offer" that it is no more than 5-10% who really would leave their country for yours and that this would only be for love and not for any economic reasons (unless of course you are a multi-millionaire then they might consider it) as Ukraine and Russia are really not that bad places to live.
Of the other 90%: my guess is that 20% of the others would probably meet you in their country and show you a good time but thats all, whilst the other 70% of profiles you see are not genuine at all ranging from golddiggers to scams. The real ratio of men to the 5-10% women I think is probably about 40:1 which makes it all very difficult as it probably means you will not be the only one writing and willing to travel.
Yes going to Kiev, Odessa or wherever is a big deal for you, but unless she really likes you (and this of course is very difficult to tell via email or the phone) then it may not be for her. She has her own life and if you are just another of the 40 or so who are interested then something else may come up like a party which she may prefer to do.
I'm sorry it hasn't worked out for you, but I am sure like me we are not alone.
Like me, you have two options: 1. Quit this business and try and find a local girl (saving yourself a small fortune in the initial outlay) or 2. Learn from what went wrong and try again.
I have gone for option number 2 and am going to meet another girl in 10 days time.
Hey tallman thanks for the reply.
It is interesting to get insights from other people who have had such experiences. Although I am in my late 30's I have not had as much experience as you at this business, so it is always helpful to find out more. Thats a pretty low percentage that you are assuming, though sadly I probably agree with you.
Wow, one lasting 3 years and making 3 visits to the UK, I guess you must have thought that you must have had it cracked by that stage!
I think I will probably go for option 2 one more time, then that will be that if I do not gain something far more positive than my previous experiences.
We shall see, but at such odds described above, perhaps I should just go and put the plane fare onto some lottery tickets!
Yorkie....since you had bad luck first time...maybe you should reevaluate you search, going after the girls that are most desirable is toughest. They have busy lives and are more 'picky' It is normal for now and then a girl not to show up or cancell..it just shows her true interest in you. That is the reason I ususally have several girls to meet, just in case. Also, I always plan to visit a nearby city where I have been in communication with other girls. I never go to meet just one girl, especially for the first time. I will be in southern ukraine in a couple weeks..my fourth journey.....
You don't say what age range you are looking into? I have found that the younger ones tend to want to play around and not be serious, regardless what their profile says. I gave up on FSU after spending thousands of dollars two trips, one to Ukraine and one to Russia. I am now married to a lady from Venezuela. I am 46 and she is 42 but looks 32.
Rubbish, jet..the real ones are just as elusive as it was for Mulder to find the truth in the X-Files...most will either lie, scam or give you the run around.
I you have got thousands to spend in search of Ukraine girl, to spend say $500 on detective background investigation and surveillance, to save thousands and a lot of heartache is well worth it, before you decide to take the trip and meet her in Ukraine because its likely it will turn up something, that will be more than enough reason to cancel the trip and her.
Many are just players who have local boyfriends/husbands, especially the young attractive ones 20 to 30 years old, who search the internet for western gullible guys so they can rip them off with no intention of marriage or leaving there country.
Look for gold rings on there right fingers, especially second smallest finger in there pics..Married Ukraine/Russian girls will wear there wedding rings on this hand and finger..its tradition with them..opposite hand to married western girls.
Some stupid girls don't remove there wedding rings when being photographed.
Trust no one is the golden rule here...especially faceless women or pretenders behind the keyboard over the internet.
I am getting confused..is it aussieffukka or boredman41??????????? One in the same!!!!!
Bored must be ukrainian girl....4 word answers.
Aussie, I thought you were out of this and just getting laid, or did your new girl already dump you and moved on to BIGGER and better things.
'Trust no one is the golden rule here'....not even aussieman's opinions. Aussie, you can probably cut and paste your posts..they are one in the same.
Many thanks for the posts.
So I guess the summary of all that has been written above is TRUST NO-ONE.
Well, I have never particularly had much faith in human nature really anyway, so this just reinforces the fact. I am wondering if there are just too many scammers and liars out there for it to be even worth my while even writing another letter. Reading about the reality of the Ukrainian women situation from all the posts on this website has been a bit of a de-motivating experience, and I am sorely tempted to stop writing even to the ones that I have been in correspondence with.
If I dont find out some positive stories pretty soon, then it really does look like I am just being a "fool being parted with my money" by writing to Ukrainian ladies!!
Beemer, good luck on your 4th trip - shall be interested to hear how it goes.
yorkie, this is the big plot of this forum. Men in their 50's or late 40's trying to get laid with a 20 something model kind of girl...they get burned and cry here...or others who have NONE what so ever experience with FSU women giving you the advice of your lifetime...
Remember, there is no such thing as falling in love writing letters or speaking on the phone. You have to meet them in person, develop the relationship if you like eachother, just like you would do it at home. FSU is not a women shopping mall. You have to invest time and money (for the trips etc)...people are jerking about $75 they spent on a girl. Crying out loud...if you meet a local girl, do you take her to a local pretzel-stand for dinner? No, you spend 100-200 bucks on a restaurant. Same thing, but some guys here, would like to spend no more than $20 before filing for a fiance visa. Be realistic, I'm in the late 30's and now have a 1y relationship with a 33y old girl in Ukraine. We met like 12 times, she is now (this Friday) coming to visit me for 5 weeks...we'll see how it goes...of course we have plans, but we don't rush into it, we develop and nobody knows how it will end..I hope for a happy ending, of course ;-)
The best advice I can give you is to stop reading this forum, unless you can seperate the good stuff from BS...cause there is a lot more BS than good advice here.
Just look for someone who fits your age, take your time, go step by step...just like you would with a local girl. And if you think that paying for a restaurant or giving her some parfume as a gift or sending flowers is a red flag for a scammer, then I think this is not for you...it's very normal to present things to women you like, everywhere on this planet...
And a bit off topic: can someone finally shut-up aussieman? I thought he found this rocking girl locally and is out of the 'game'? What is he still doing here? Can this moron be blocked?
I got burned by the first woman I visited in Ukraine. She played the sick relative scam on me. So yes I am a little bitter but that does not mean that there will be success amoung you guys. I got lucky and found a woman in Venezuela, so be it.
I have been contibuting my opinions about 1 1/2 years, does that still make me a "new guy"?
Young men get burned as often (seldom?) in their pursuit of FSU women as older men do. Its just that the stories older men tell seem more obvious. We all KNOW that a typical 50 year old guy - isn't going to land a runway-type model of 20, unless he has something much more to bring to the table.
On the other hand I've met some incredibly lame guys in their 20's and 30's who hoped to land an FSU woman. Seldom do they DESCRIBE themselves as lame or social misfits - but they are. And they fail just as miserably.
Success in the FSU cannot be summed up merely with an age notation. I AM 50 years old - and I have succeeded with two incredible looking women in their 20's. So I speak from experience.
On my second last trip - just for the hell of it - I DID go out with an incredible 20 year old, six foot tall (in heels) runway type model. Probably the most beautiful woman I have ever been in the same room with. Why did I do it? Just for the experience. She already had the next week planned out for us together in Donetsk - while I intended to go to Mariupol. So I brushed her off as she wasn't what I was looking for. If I had been a sex-tourist I would have stayed with her for the week - but since she had the mental maturity of a 12 year old, and I was looking for a potential wife, I dumped her.
The woman I met in Mariupol is SLIGHTLY older, not quite as tall and not quite a runway model (maybe a print ad model?) but much more "grown-up". She may yet become my wife.
No boredfukka and me are different people.I was scammed $500 in 2004 when I first started this business and was a newbie...it could have been worse.
In the world of scamming, I call that a light sting...many men have been taken for thousands..its a multi-million dollar business in the FSU..has been for years but the tactics have changed now...the scammer girls/ing for money over the internet does not work anymore, so they screw you over on the personal visit or string you along after your personal visit with money requests and then disappear...the scams are far more elaborate and the good scammers patient, they will wait months, years to pull there scams off, play them out.
Hmmm Thomasm3 puts up the one post worth reading for the month - except for my posts of course.
Im leaving on my 13th trip in 2 days to Kiev. Found a model quality girl on second trip. Been dating for 3 years. Im 47 she is 20.
I probably got scammed $500. Thats learning experience, so what! Its chicken feed. I was stood up by half the girls I went to meet and half the rest I didnt like. However I had great fun and interesting expeiences.
There are various ways to achieve the goal of meeting women from the FSU but sitting at home worrying about scammers is the least successful. Using marriage agencies not much better. Local sites are the best, contacting women after making travel plan even better.
Remember to have a good time even if true love does not beckon.
Jet- If I understood right, this thread was to determine which % of women were actually true and not just scammers. Judging by the results of those who have dared to come out and say the truth of their experience, a situation similar to those who come out and report a crime, then it is obvious that there is a good % of scammers here, they are in the 18-30 age range, although I have been requested money for a notebook from ladies 35+, and in a way, the only ones to blame for this are us guys, who are in here drooling at the high % beauty, who have fallen for the “traditional value myths” and who suddenly feel good by falling prey to the “savior syndrome”, we are the breeding soup for scammers anywhere!! No, I am not saying this in the “holier that thou” tone, I am as guilty as the next guy.
As with any statistical distribution, we here find all cases and this is what makes this forum so valuable, we can learn from this, so I get upset of those that pretend to impose a tyrannical mode so we can all see the rosy side of view of this.
I have been marked about 20 times since I joined the site early this month, considering that I might not be from a typical target places such as USA, Canada, Uk or western European countries.. Scammers are far more astute than we think of.