So, I'm 60 YO and getting remarkable attention from lovely 20 something women. And in my profile I say I am not divorced yet and looking for a lady 38-50.
The ones from Simferopol are just plain scary good looking. I call them the Simferopol 7 (and it's increasing). There are a bunch of not quite so gorgeous ladies from Nikolaev as well. And they all say age does not matter and if they don't have a kid, they are OK not having one.
I found some 2008-2010 about the Nikolaev based scams. Still true? Are all my sweet young friends going to go away when they discover I don't buy them things and don't go on paid chat?
What are the chances a beautiful 41 YO from Kharkov is legitimate? How about the drop dead gorgeous mothers in their mid to late 30s?
Hate to burst bubbles but your chances...2.....slim and none
If you can get that beautiful 41 yr old or drop dead gorgeous mothers in late 30's at home....then your talking....... but for most who begin this journey, it does not end well. Sorta like a game of high stakes with high risk, high reward.
Chances are much better at home with someone close to your age. Good Luck!!
From going to several sites, I have noticed that most of the profiles list locations in Nikolaev and Simferopol/Sevastopol along with Kiev being the most common. Given the war conditions on the eastern side, Donetsk and Lugansk are rarely seen. Not many from the far western regions (like Lviv). This site is not a true dating agency, so the bulk of the profiles are coming from specific agencies in specific cities.
In general, the gorgeous girls who approach you are scammers, young or middle aged. Beautiful and or/young girls do not need to go around approaching men. All they have to do is to put their profile and glamorous photos and they will get inundated with messages from men. Tom Shea got one of these and he had to work on her fo this purpose. So, if you want to have a chance with one of these, you have to go after her and convince her to get interested in you. That is the way it normally is, isn't it?
Age does not make much difference, from girls in their early twenties to 40 somethings, they can be spoilt, demanding, money grabbers, sincere, loving, interested in you not your money, etc.
In my view, women over 40 have no chance of adapting to a new life in the West. women of this age who send me a first message mostly write in Russian, the younger ones always write in English, even if they do not speak a word of it. This shows that the older ones (who grew up in the Soviet era), and who were not taught English, are too late to learn a foreign language and are not going to bother to learn it or do not even know about online translators.
Stay away from women in their 30's and 40's who put pictures of themselves in front of nice houses, wearing fur coats, on a yacht or in front of a Porsche, with or without children. They are women who were married to a wealthy guy who dropped them for a younger model and they want a Western guy to give them the life of luxury they once had. Or if they were not married to a wealthy guy that is what they want from a Western man.
Any women you are interested in you, you have to learn with time who they really are, they will all reveal themselves eventually: scammers, money grabbers, genuine girls, etc. But find out in a way it does not cost you: by correspondence, Skype, etc.
Search this site for the case of a guy called 4re and learn about his disastrous experience with a scammer, because he could not wait to go and have sex with her.
Thank you. I finally video chatted with one of the 20 something girls. She was obviously the girl in the pictures, but the pictures are just amazing compared to the reality. She did not have skype but agreed to get skype. I was a little surprised. We'll see. So in person, she is not the sort of girl men will line up to pursue. Still pretty. She said she was being harassed by a man from Turkey today.
I guess I don't understand why a girl with a computer and internet connection would not sign up directly with Fiance.com.
Please explain: did you chat to the girl through the agency (Fiance.com?) video service and then she agrfeed to move to Skype?
Of course the glamour shots of the girls make them look a lot better tha in real life. I once met a girl with bad complexion but in the photos she looked like she had prcelain skin. However, think about it, they can be disappointed when they see th real man too.
Still don't understand, how did you meet her if she was not signed to fiance.com?
A lot of girls write on their profiles: No Turks or Arabs!
I have come across profiles who look somewhat different from the photos seen on their profile when they sent me more recent photos. Some of the profile photos are enhanced and "beautified" by the agency. There are some who are independent on this site, but I have never been able to get much of a response from them. Also, a girl may go with the agency so that their dates can be facilitated easier and they might also get a "cut" of what is paid for by the foreign guy.
LIke with btb a number of girls send me photos of their real selves or I see them in Skype after I have seen their glamorous photos in the dating site. If they put glamorous photos, why not? Every girl wants to look her best and if they are told by the photographer or agency that they will look gorgeous on the photos, of course they say yes.
But there is a difference with an agency that uses models to attract the punters, that is a no-no and of course there are the several scammers who go to staeal photos from VK. You will never get to meet those girls in Skype so at least btb's girl is 'real'
WifeSeeker" I did chat with the agency girl through fiance.com. I have done this twice and in both cases the lady agreed to install Skype. We will see if they follow through. For my membership level, Fiance.com says that video chat with independent girls is completely free. With agency girls, the first three minutes are free and then it is one credit per minute. I bought some credits because I want to see how some of these girls look in "real life".
dcguy. Now that I know how effective the enhancements are, I can see that most of these girls are just normal young lady beautiful. From my perspective, very attractive but not unusually so. They would blend into a group of college coeds here.
I have also come to realize that most of the ladies who write to me have not read my profile. Is that typical for a sincere lady?
That still begs the question what the hook is for a 20 something writing to me. One girl claimed she knows of a happy marriage where the age difference is 29 years.
"I'm 60 YO and getting remarkable attention from lovely 20 something women"
Sounds like a scam site to me. Anastasiadate?
Look no 20 something is going to be interested in a granddaddy figure. And FSU women are modest, they expect the gentleman to make the initiative. So you getting these responses is just a scam. These lovely young ladies are not really interested in you in real life.
This reminds me of a story where a guy spent 3K in chat on the site, supposedly chatting with 20 somethings. He did go to Ukraine and spent the same crisscrossing Ukraine. He was able to meet 9 of them in person. When he tried to develop a relationship with any of them "You're too old" "You're too old" "You're too old" each of them told him. And this guy was 52.
You're 60. So you don't stand a snowballs chance in hell developing a relationship with a lovely 20 something.
Be realistic. I would say choose ladies 45+ and you might do ok.
I get videochat requests from ladies in their 20s on this site. The ones that seem to show up regularly for video chat on this site appear to be under 30.
One of the girls with model photography just sent me a photo she took recently. I can see the wrinkles and not so lustrous skin texture of her regular appearance.
I get contacts from people who have not read my profile. That does appear suspicious. I also wrote a few letters to one lady on one site and when I sent a "flirt" to her profile on another site, I got the same introductory letter twice (as if I was just first writing to her).
The 20 somethings say that they are "mature enough" to marry with any aged man. Whether or not this is true depends on the person. It is unlikely. But there are desperate poor women in third world countries who will take financial stability over their own preferences. And of course, there are those not serious and just out for a profit motive (e.g., I want to travel the world and see everything with my generous partner).
TomZ. The site is Fiance.com. This site. You guys must have had a similar experience. Two of the most persistent are in the Miss Wow group. A good percentage of the ladies who are frequently "online now" have contacted me. All of them are agency girls. No independents. Mostly from Nikolaev (70%) and Simferopol.
Thanks for confirmation. No argument here. I still have not figured out the hook. I just cannot believe it is just the fiance.com chat feature. I don't continue chatting if they won't go to free chat. Do they work a guy a long time hoping for a big payoff?
I hope there is a real pay-off to being pen-pals with some of these hot young cuties. Maybe one of them will have a hot divorced mother or aunt. So far, all but one has stayed in character as eager to have a 60 year old lover. One finally admitted we would be pen-pals and she would help me find an age appropriate girlfriend if I make it to her city. She is in Miss Wow. Her pictures are a quantum leap above the reality (which is still cute as a kitten). There has to be some Photoshop involved. They manage to slim down the faces. Though I did briefly chat with one who I think should be in Miss Wow who looked a lot like her pics.
When I decide on a city, I expect to stay for 6-8 weeks and use my "allies" to find a lover.
You need to wait and see if the girls start hinting they need money or ask you for money without bothering to hint anything or if they start talking about coming to see you. These things are red flags. If you find a genuine twenty-something girl among lots and lots who write to you,then why not?
Tom Shea got himself a young and beautiful girl through this agency but I think he went after her first, it was not one of the girls who send you love letters from the beginning.
A lady over 40 will struggle like hell adapting to a new life in the West especially if she does not speak English. I think I have seen a study somewhere that showed how much more difficult it gets to learn a foreign language as you get older. Added to this, if the lady wants to work, it will be a bit less than impossible to start a career in the job market as a 40 something foreigner. Then there is the problem of her ability to have a child. If she has teenage kids, is she going to bring them for you to start paying for college for them straightaway?
Maybe a lady who already speaks good English, who works for an international company, with kids who have already gone to college in Ukraine, that kind of thing may work.
Then the young girls can be unreliable.... difficult choice.
My view of going to live in another country:
- As a child, no problem, in a few months you will be like a local kid. You learn the language incredibly fast. You become the same as a local due to your local education.
- As a teen-ager: You will struggle a bit with the language at first but will eventually speak like a local. Some teasing at school in the early years. You become the same as a local due to your local education.
- In your twenties: You are a foreigner and that is is for the rest of your days. You got a foreign education but you are still very resilient at that age and you will take the knocks. Eventually you will make a life for yourself. You are stuck with your foreign accent for good.
- In your thirties: you are going to start struggling with the local language unless you have learned it well in your country. Jobs become difficult unless you are well qualified but you can still make a life for yourself eventually.
- In your forties: Unless you are a top engineer or doctor who speaks the local language already very well you are going to live a miserable life except if you are with someone with a fat wallet on whom you will be dependent for good.
- In your fifties: forget it unless you are Madonna
I think the independent ladies in fiancÚ are probably fine if you can get their attention. Someone made this comment in another thread. The nice thing about them is the site tracks when they last logged in. Some of them have not been active on the site in 9 years. I have not found any active in the past year (but I have not looked other than to see the difference between agency and independent ladies).
I think most of the agency ladies are also probably fine. They are just not the ones writing to me. Of the ones who appear to be infatuated with me, it has not been evidenced by getting Skype, Yahoo, Google or any other IM program installed. Well, one installed it but has declined to use it.
I am starting to get some pressure to get back on chat from one lovely 28 YO. I spent just a few minutes on chat with her yesterday. Maybe chat is the hook. I have not been able to get any of them to admit what they get out of it.
One of the Miss Wow girls said she had a new laptop. I wonder.