I agree with you 100 per cent, why waste money writing to girls you never meet ???
its far better to meet them when you are out and about in the bars and clubs, providing you have the abilty to talk to girls, if not blow your cash on a tour, its full of the scammer you meet in the agencys and dont forget the agencys could not give a f~~k about where you meet a nice girl,
all they want is your $$$$
Actually steelman there are many guys here, myself, nas, glad, trad, crash...etc...etc that have been very successful with agency women. We are married or on our way to being married, then there is jet who met his through a social. I personally know three couples that live close to me that have been married in excess of five years and are still very happy. So I would have to say that your blanket statement that all the girls here are scammers is not entirely correct. There are some no doubt, but there are also a lot of very committed ladies, I have personally met them. I can tell you that when I have visited my lady and had a chance to speak with her friends that are also looking…they are they are as convinced as you are about scammers that all western men are keyboard Romeos. There is no doubt that meeting someone through the Internet across borders is very difficult and in some cases as with yours and mine very expensive, but it is possible as evidenced by the successes I mentioned.
I don't blame you for being upset. You went to meet four women, three of whom never even showed. So you only spent a month's pay and you can stand it - but that's still a MONTH'S pay.
You don't know us persoanlly, but your still a little embarrassed when we suggest it might have been YOU and not THEM. I understand where you are coming from.
Ukrainian/Moldovan/Russian women are not the most materialistic in the world - but the fact is manyof them have very little. Westerners are better off, with often times better salaries - and if the truth be told - that works to our advantage. In the grand mix of things - the REASON that many of us can get a much younger, much prettier, much more educated lady - when we may not be any of those things ourselves is that we have higher incomes. Its not a romantic notion - but its a true one.
Why do you suppose gorgeous woman look abroad? Do you suppose they hate their language? Hardly. DO you suppose they hate their culture, or the food that they grew up with or the celebrations that they have always had? Not at all. All other things being equal and prosperity was theirs - many would prefer to stay at home be with local guys.
Our economic advantage allows us to get a foot in the door with these women - but if we are not men of substance having the true qualities she is looking for - we will get that foot kicked out of the doorway pretty fast.
Scammers will always be with us. We just have to be wary enough to know that they are there. But don't give us just becasue you were taken for a ride. Pick yourself up and try again - a little wiser for the experience. These women are worth it.
Good points jetmba. its very true most girls simply don't have money. Having been to moldova 5 times to see 1 girl in the last year, staying with her family i have seen first hand how little money they have. It’s true there are scammers but actually family members do get sick or unexpected expenses crop up.
Its also true they love their culture and would prefer to live in their own country. Theres also a lot of media hipe about girls who go to america etc and get beaten up my their husband etc and girls worry about this as much as guys worry about being scammed.
Steeleman, sorry to hear you went all that way and 3 out of 4 didn't show up. That’s pretty stupid on the girls part However why did they not show? maybe they could afford to meet you? I wonder if being Australian cause issues with CIS girls? I'm not sure you average easy going aussie would get on that well with CIS girls. I know i get shouted out for putting my feet on furniture, not packing my suitcase tidily, and not carrying a bag correctly (just to name a few). Not saying Aussies do this, but people there seem to have lots of little rules that aussies would laugh it.
Why would it be pretty stupid on the girls part?
Steele had arranged 4 seperate dates with 4 different ladies over the course of a week (ish), one had asked for USD150, and received it!, in advance so she could be written off straight away, if a USD10 bus fare was needed to meet the man of her dreams then somehow she would find it, that left 3.
Now these ladies are not stupid, indeed they're extremely intelligent and they know that a guy doesn't travel halfway around the world for a solitary one night stand, they knew that he would be coming for a week or more but if he can only make himself available to spend a day or so with each, well I'm sorry 'Chuck', I've got better things to do than meet with a 'Player'!
I'd say it would be pretty stupid of a guy to regard these ladies as 'easy meat', they're not there for the taking, one needs to put some effort into it.
It ALL depends on how you come across in your letters. Personally, I think that letter writing can ONLY be considered a preliminary step in actually getting to know someone. I could NEVER fall in love with someone entirely based on letters. For me the real relationship starts (if, indeed, it is to EVER start) at a face to face meeting.
To me it makes perfect sense to write to four women - because its only a preliminary step - and then plan to actually meet each in person to see if there is any magic there with any one them.
I prefer to dispense with this particualr preliminary step altogether and go and MEET THE WOMEN face to face - one on one - eye to eye IN PERSON. I prefer Romance Socials. Throughout history, I contend, more lasting relationships have been forged through face to face meeting than through letter writing no matter how you look at it.
Besides with letters - you never know who's really writing, you eliminate all those who may not be verbally gifted, and you throw a host of misinterpretation issues in.
Regarding the money - if $150 was all this woman was after and it was enough to get her to "head for the hills", than she was a fool and you were lucky. Why would you milk a cow just once and then let it go free? It would have made more sense if she had tried to collect a little more.
When I met my Moldovan lady at the Romance Social - I already had a dinner date for that evening who was sitting right there waiting for me. So I gave the Moldovan money for a hotel room - it wasn't much - it was less than $50 (it was exactly the amount I had been advised to give by the tour operators). When I actually went out with my dinner date she teased me saying that I would never see the Moldovan or the money I had given her again.
I felt then, as I do now, that if she had been willing to travel six hours by bus from Chisinau to Odessa and do everything else she had had to do to prepare - just to get a few dollars from a guy and then dissappear - then good riddance and I ould be better off with her leaving.
She called me bright and early the next day - and we're still together.
A reputable agency but no ladies showed, a translator but no lady to translate with, oh yeah:
There are plenty of ways you can hurt a man
And bring him to the ground
You can beat him
You can cheat him
You can treat him bad and leave him
When he's down
But I'm ready, yes I'm ready for you
I'm standing on my own two feet
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
Repeating the sound of the beat
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust
Its true. A lot of us are great guys (I've met a few forum members in person). We're just fed up with meeting the wrong women (fill in here all customary complaints on western women. They all apply.)
But some of us are wierd too. There is no getting around it. I've met a few of those too (NOT forum members) and read the writing here in the forum of a few others.
Some of us have problems with western women - because we would have problems with ANY WOMEN. Some of us are just difficult people and going to the FSU isn't going to change that.
Those of us in that group ARE going to be the victims of scammers - because those women will show us attention PURELY for our money. Some of us in that group are going to be gullible and beleive anything a scammer says because we don't know any better.
This forum (as well as other modes of pursuing FSU women) contains all kinds.
Agreed about western women. Having lived in NZ and UK and worked a lot in the US and Australia, I know what you mean. Of course there are lots of great girls in those countries but similar ones in the FSU are more accessible. Plus it’s also an adventure.
Not doubt you have to be a little weird or crazy to go through this process. I certainly am. The whole process is not easy. You need a lot of practice, money and luck.
I have been reading this forum for a while and got useful information on visas and also the typical west-FSU problems that arise. So thanks for those who have posted useful information
PS my girlfriend is 22 and i am 31. My girlfriend lives in a separatist region of moldova just to make the process and travel more complex.
We plan to get married this year in her country. Much easier to get a visa for the UK than NZ which is similar to Australia in its strict requirements (which may not be a bad thing).