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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > How many women want to come to the United States for real? Author Post wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/28/2005 8:58:56 AM   izifaddag says: "If you can't speak English stay in Pakistan or Somalia" => then why you, izifaddag, are importing from FSU (through Miami immigration also I assume) an FSU woman who doesn't speak English? because she is fluffy white while the Pakistani and the Somali are dark like shit? there you go you're exposed you're a RACIST, admit it with the full word, say it with me I'M A RACIST, be proud of your prejudice, it's what you are. Izifaddag I have to say to you, you fit perfectly in this flip-flop, forum of many hypocrites. A few pages back, your are an avid Buddhist, kind, peaceful person, trying to make friends with everyone. Then you go to Russia, you find your tart, too (thanks for the term Martin!), then come back and join the chorus here. I don't mind at all what you said about racial profiling and I also have prejudice against arabs, muslims and turks. I also wholeheartedly agree with you about the adjustment issue and the effort required to blend into a new community, but this applies to everyone not just people of different color. In fact, some really whitish folks have adjustment problems as well (try Eastern Europeans for example). Let me tell you pal, I consider based on personal experience the Indian people first and the Chinese second the smartest people on earth. It is only the truth. I can provide tons of details if you wish. Yes they live in their own communities in the states and even wear their local attire and adhere to a different lifestyle. On the other hand, they're dead serious capitalists, engineers, financiers, university professors, I have seen it all and can speak about it. Look at university test scores, you'll find Indians from India right at the very top even if English is not their mother tongue and even if it's so hard to understand their terrible, non-classy accent. You hear that, izifaddag, Indians doing much, much better than fluffy white Anglosaxons who speak the queen's accent. Please don't underestimate our intelligence, you’re not a Budhist (in fact, you have nothing to do with this religion), you're just another nasfanic idiot, the only difference being you're an immigrant to the U.S.A. and cannot make the claims nasfan makes with his broad, shit covered brush because you would simply look like a bigger idiot than him. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/28/2005 10:44:59 AM   It should also be born in mind that there are many muslims etc. in the FSU. A few years back, in Tashkent, I had a girlfriend, her mother was Russian and her father was Uzbek. She had a totally Uzbek appearance, dark skin and very beautiful with it, her brother on the other hand was whiter than white, should one discrimate against her and not against him despite the fact that they come from the same breeding stock and the same upbringing! Perhaps in the future some should declare that FSU ladies are so advanced, so beautiful and all the other stereotype stuff that guys here say about them but then some guys must need to add, in the same sentence, but only if they are white, of particular countries, of particular religions blah blah blah! nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/28/2005 3:24:02 PM   Wtrav02 THE QUESTION STILL STANDS!!! As for being a centrist,you are way off. I am not even close to being a centrist. To try to explain to you what a Libertarian is, I might as well talk to the wall. It would make as much impact, though I shouldn't insult the wall so badly. I do not agree with much of what the republican party stands for and I agree with nothing the liberal leftist democrats stand for. Just like your idiotic comment that the CIA funneled 1 billion dollars into Yuschenko's campaign to throw the election in his favor. What liberal bullshit. Yeah money was thrown his way, and the CIA looks like a good agency to blame, but since you don't live here and you read some of the most biased bullshit from Europe, you wouldn't have a clue. You two crybabys attack everyone in here from time to time, then when someone lashes back, you both whine and cry as if your are picked on. Especially if it isn't your view point or agenda. Also you make references to women as tarts. Well I won't lower myself to dragging a woman into the fray or insulting your spouses. It does show a lack of character that you both have. Jesus how long did we read about your pissing contests with the forum moderators. You both are an absolute joke. You both try to provoke members here. I've had disagreements with other members here, but never to the sublime as with you two goof balls. The two holier than though, the European mentality is always right,flip flop artists. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/28/2005 3:49:50 PM   Nasfan, Excuse me for asking but who is whining and crying, certainly not me. So I referred to a foreign lady as a tart, just read the copy & paste below of what Izi thinks of foreign nationals, females included, which of the two descriptions do you think is least offensive, of course you will agree with Izi because if not then he has already called you an out and out liar .... and because you're too limp-wristed to stand up against one of your own! Quote Izi: Suffice to say yes I am racially prejudiced just like everybody else and the main difference is that I am honest about it and do not hide behind some liberal, PC nonsense. Yes the emperor has no clothes and I will say so. Yes I believe wholeheartedly in stereotypes and profiling. I absolutely make decisions based on skin color and manor of dress, body language etc. Anybody who says they do not is an out and out liar. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/28/2005 4:01:21 PM   It is amazing how telling the truth can irritate somebody into a rage of self rightousness complete with mouth foaming. :)) Hi Wtrav keep on trucking. :)) Happy happy joy joy. If I can piss someone off to that level every day then I have done my work for the day. My suggestion is switching to decaf:)) Maybe a little meditation :)) nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/28/2005 4:21:57 PM   Martin You are way off. I don't agree with Izi on many issues, but also I will put it in your court. You said least offensive. Both are offensive, but since I'm not thinned skinned and I don't judge a person by his race or religion, just his character. You may disagree with me and assail what I write, but to refer to my fiancee as a tart was a cowardly and chickenshit remark to provoke a response from me. As for Izi being one of my own, that is your commentary. He and I are diametrically oppossed on many issues. The problem being, is many here see through your diatribes of nonsense. Then when you can't justify your comments with anything of substance, you make an idiotic remark. Just like your one liner, gun laws. Support it with fact, or shut up. Just as stupid as your remark of Larisa being a tart, pretty good comment, since you've never met her and know absolutely nothing about her, only what I have written. It is guys like you that purvey a myth that gun play is common place in the US. What a bunch of crap. It is also what is portrayed by the US media and European media. Here is a good story for you and shows the bullshit that people like you and a liberal media portrays. I asked Larisa, what she wanted for a Christmas present, She told me she saw this beautiful jacket, but was afraid for me to buy it. I asked her why, well she has seen in her news that Americans hate coats made out of animals,this case a rabbit. I almost laughed my ass off. She asked me why I was laughing, she said she has read that people throw blood on them who wears these coats. Just because one fat ass named Rosie O'Donnell did this and it got media attention, it is how Americans are. Just like your statement of gun laws, a lot of blow and no substance. You made the claim that Bush was Hitler like, but the problem being, is you follow his own edicts. The bigger the lie, the more the people believe it. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/28/2005 5:01:57 PM   "There you go you're exposed you're a RACIST, admit it with the full word, say it with me I'M A RACIST, be proud of your prejudice, it's what you are." Errr - I believe I did that in the post didn't I? You are a funny fellow aren't you? Why do you not read the post again and this time understand it. Yes I am a racist, so are you, we all are. The question is if a person is willing to own that fact and be honest with himself / herself (must be politically correct:). If you are not English or willing to completely integrate into the English way of life then go back where you came from. Oh dear I am repeating myself :)) America is not England. It is founded on people from all over the world coming here. Oops I repeated the previous post again. Britain is NOT founded on such a policy. There is no statue at the equivalent of Ellis Island saying give me your tired huddled masses. It actually doesn't matter the color of the skin - if it was a bunch of French coming in and trying to change everything I would also object. If you are ever in Miami go visit a beautiful part of the city called Overtown. Probably best to go at about 11 at night. When the attractive negro idividual approaches your car with his pants hanging down around his knees on a little kids bike and a gong around his neck explain to him how you are down with the 'bros' :)) As he pokes the gun in your face you can explain to him that you understand that the reason he does this is not the color of his skin but a society that has victimised him because of that fact :)) The reason that prisons are full of more blacks than whites in America is because they commit more crime. It isn't because they are particularly treated in a slanted way by the courts. It is just what it is. If you break the law you go to prison. In America there are people from all over the world. You can hear just about any language you want just in NY. However as a country one of the binding factors is language. You cannot pander to minority communities and have multiple parallel education systems, military systems, social services etc. This does happen and it is devisive and breeds hatred across racial and ethnic boundaries. NO! You all need to speak the same language and have a central culture that everyone can fall back on. But I repeat myself anybody with any common sense would have seen this in my post. Once again Britain is not America. America has a foundation of immigration and diversity. Britain has this also but in a much smaller way. Let us face it, the last time we really got invaded in an up front way was 1066!! So the Somali woman on the plane next to me although very nice needed to actually learn to speak English to accompany that British passport she was holding in her hand. That way she wouldn't have needed me to fill in her customs form for her. OR Here's is a thought - go back to Somalia. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/28/2005 5:08:55 PM   OK Nasfan, With respect to gun laws then I will totally agree with you 100%, the USA, per capita, is less dangerous than Russia and/or Belarus. Now the USA has something to be really proud of, it is a less dangerous place to live than two third world and poverty stricken countries. The only individual(s) I see whining and crying here are two individuals, one whining and crying over his gun, the other because he may have to sit next to a black person on an aircraft, ah diddums. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/28/2005 5:16:59 PM   There is so much nonsense in that post regarding Buddhism and Indians and Chinese that it would take a while to shoot it all down. I can't really spare the time I have to write to the 'tart'. So just quickly suffice to say that I work cheek by jowl with Indians, Chinese and so many other nationalities that I do not know how many. It is like the frigging United Nations in here. I have literally just come from a meeting where 5 of the people there were Chinese. Hard workers but not particularly smart. I actually taught in Malaysia on 2 occasions. The folks were both Indians and Chinese. No brighter than anybody else. In fact very much held back by their silly class system. They rely on the Americans to lead without a doubt. Wonderful people but no better than anybody else. I can't even bring myself to address the ridiculous references to Buddhism. Learn something about it and then comment. Oh and by the way the only reason I say that to anybody is to give them a point of reference. People seem to need a box they can put you in. Buddhist, Christian, whatever. Then they feel better and they can tie a ribbon around it and they mentally say 'I get it'. Apparently you are one of these types. Fine I am a buddhist and a 'hypocrite'. Learn something about Buddhism and then you will see that nothing could be further from the truth. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/28/2005 5:30:57 PM   Where have I said that I whine because I might have to sit to a black person on a plane?:)) Ah diddums.:)) Whining is a high pitched noise. Using the written form of the language I can't hear anything. Oh dear martin are you having imaginary noises in your ears? I think you need to see a doctor. Preferably one specialising in liberalitus. I personally would recommend having some sort of surgery to remove your self righteousness. It is causing a lack of perception of reality and could result in permanent loss of sight. Of real life that is. Poor, poor Britain. It seems to be loaded with weak minded types who wish to pander to everybody on the face of the Earth and just 'let 'em all in'. Anybody who speaks the truth is a Diddums whatever that is. Ah well such is life. Continue bleating Martin like the sheep you are and I am sure eventually you will win Nas and myself over. You are bound to wear us down eventually. Through sheer attrition. (Yes, I know it is a long word but I am sure that you will be able to look it up, get some help from a parent if you are having trouble). nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/28/2005 6:02:08 PM   Actually per capita Ukraine is higher than US, actually US doesn't even make the top ten. As you made you statement, why would women question coming to the United States, you said gun laws. Now I think you have refuted your own argument. Where is it safe to live, The FSU or America? Secondly, I'm not crying about my guns, I own them legally, I can possess them legally on my person, I can defend my life and property if I have too. There is a criteria for a conceal and carry permit. Also it is a law in America, that if you are a convicted felon you cannot own guns. Does that stop a criminal, hell no. You see Martin I am not a reactive person. I am proactive in the protection of my constitutional rights. I have a better chance of winning the lottery than being a victim of a gun crime. Being proactive, though, I believe in the old addage, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. So instead of paying a monthly fee for a security system, I have my own security system, to protect my self from intrusions both foreign and domestic. So if a criminal decides my house or family look inviting, I'm going to help him to change his criminal ways. So many people sit and whine they are victims of one thing or another. Well I chose not to be a victim, and I never will. Izi, don't fret, they will never wear me down, only if you mean that attrition is the day I finally leave here when Larissa arrives this January. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/28/2005 6:18:05 PM   Nasfan, Please get this straight and I shall explain as simply as I can. I personally do not give a sh1t about US gun laws because I am not considering moving there, likewise a lady from Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Outer Fucking Mongolia or wherever couldn't give a sh1t about gun laws there, she's looking to leave there, not relocate there! She's looking to move to the west, not the east, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? OK, I correct my previous statement, the USA can stand proud because it is less of a dangerous place to live than third world, povety stricken, Ukraine. That said, it is a damn site less dangerous for Ukrainian citizens to travel internationally, their present government hasn't, as yet, p1ssed off the rest of the world! Izi, Well something niggled you about this woman, enough for you to come whining and crying the story to your buddies: So the Somali woman on the plane next to me although very nice needed to actually learn to speak English to accompany that British passport she was holding in her hand. That way she wouldn't have needed me to fill in her customs form for her. leftend86 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/28/2005 6:41:58 PM   Gentlemen, Anyone who voluntarily serves in time of war, especially in a war zone, is a patriot. One who places himself between war's desolation and his country in the hopes of preventing the spread of said desolation to his home and family. No matter what the remuneration his government provided. Money serves the dead and the damaged very little. I have been to war, Gulf War I, it sucked. I'd do it again. Now, that being said, will someone remove this thread from the topic and start it somewhere else? Many thanks to the moderator. ~lefty wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/29/2005 5:12:58 AM   izzifaddag, to summarize your long posts suffice to say this: you're saying justice does not matter, things are the way they are, and we should adapt to the way things are as long as it does not hurt us more so if it is to our benefit. Now, please tell me how consistent this is with all the crap that you've been selling about yourself and your beliefs since you came to this forum, how consistent this is with the Buddhist philosophy that you've claimed to have adopted (unless you're just another anonymous hoax pretending on the basis of anonymity to be one thing one day and the diametrically different thing the next day). You said: "NO! You all need to speak the same language and have a central culture that everyone can fall back on." Then you say F*** Canada right? for respecting the origin of its citizens. You say F*** Switzerland, Belgium and so many other countries, which have multiple officially recognized languages. Do you realize how foolish is what you're saying? do you realize how myopic this is and how embarrassed you should be and if you're not, that simply means you have no clue, you're ignorant, face it (not too close to enlightenment dude, you need to work on it harder::)). You also said: "So just quickly suffice to say that I work cheek by jowl with Indians, Chinese and so many other nationalities that I do not know how many. It is like the frigging United Nations in here." Gush if that at least came form someone who did not have to break into the United States twice in order to become a lawful resident at last ... I wonder if you had the same point of view back then when you were out and behind trying to get in any way you could. I can somewhat understand nasfan saying what he says, after all he's a prick Libertarian form Indiana, you have to give it to him, he's been to Panama and the Philippines, he's cleaned all those toilets for the navy, he's got guns even, which is his constitutional right, he has the right to make claims about his country and his this and his that. But you, my Americanized British, what could you possibly claim at all?? nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/29/2005 5:52:03 PM   Izi has the right to free speech. That is what he can claim. Actually it has more credibility than some goofball that lives in Greece and downs the country that he says he is a citizen of. But that is popular amoung expatriates. Actually what country are you a citizen of Wtrav02? You can't claim shit. Also that sounds very similar to What Clinton did, went to a foreign country to protest the Viet Nam war. You post crap about a Republican congressman who took bribes. Hell I can light up the board with corrupt democrats. I'm glad the asshole is going to prison. But just remember, your Hero Bill Clinton, President of the free world and the leader of your leftist agenda, Disbarred for lying under oath. Admit it Wtrav, your a socialist/communist, same thing just a wolf in sheeps clothing. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/30/2005 6:14:42 AM   Nasfy, that's a talent of yours that had not been exposed until now, PIMP. You're izi's pimp now? The broom can't support himself and he needs a certified GMG2 toilet cleaner to give him protection? Ahh that's real lame. If I were a sociocommi as you said, I would be darn proud to voice it. I am just not a prick libertarian, which means a republican who claims not to be a republican each time the republicans have fucked up. This libertarian crap of yours makes you sound even more wimpy because you're not even a man to stand by your vote and say yes I voted for the ass hole, thus I, nasfy, am an ass hole too, but I have a quarter an inch of balls to admit it. You have absolutely no authority to put labels such as "patriot", "American", "corrupt", "honest". You just tell your biased opinion. Admit it you're dead scared under your skin. Your guns with which you are obsessively in love and in need will be banned for good sooner or later and you can't stand the idea::)) As far as downing your country of citizenship, yes you're doing so each time you post your fanatic right wing extremist crap. Then everyone in the world wants to harm more Americans. Bravo nasfy you've accomplished that to put the label of the bad to everyone who has American citizenship even if the overwhelming majority do not deserve it. But, of course you're well protected next to your arsenal in your small town in Indiana, so you have the big mouth to tell us your pathetic fascist crap. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/30/2005 11:11:51 PM   First of all Wtrav02 and your ignorance again reigns supreme. A fascist believes in a dictatorial government. More of what you highly endorse. A government of intrusion in our everyday lives. Where I believe in less government and more personal responsibility. A concept that is too complicated for you to understand. Also I have no problem saying I voted for Bush, the alternative was a socialist internationalist that would have no problem subverting our nations sovereingty. I'm not in love with my guns, I love the constitution of this great country. As for fear I have very little. The only fear I have is from idiots like you that espouse an idealogy that is detrimental to my country. Face it Wtrav, you want to see Americans get killed, you want to see America fail, it pisses you off so bad it's not happening that way. You make wild statements and back none of it with fact, just emotional cries of propoganda without any substance. When republicans fuck up, I am just as critical of them as I am of the socialist democrat party. I do not believe in Bushs' expansion of government, I am not a supporter of The Patriot Act. I do not agree with Bush's amnesty program for Illegal aliens. You're illegal, deport their asses back to their country. I don't believe in a welfare state. I don't believe in the Department of Homeland Security, Dept of Education, Dept of energy, or the Federal reserve. You made a wild statement and a highly inaccurate statement of 1 billion dollars going to Yuschenkos campaign, but I don't hear you bitch about the money that goes to the IMF. Kick the UN out of the United States, that was internationalist Engineering From Colonel House and Woodrow Wilson, I'm still trying to figure out why they referred to him as Colonel, he never served in any military capacity. You are a slave to a decadent ideology. You endorse no freedoms, just wanting to take the ones away from people that already exist. It also pisses you off that I endorse freedom for all nations. Where is your indignation for the UN that has endorsed more murders and tortures than any country that exists and has harbored more murderous dictators than any country in the world has. You claim to be an American citizen by birth, but there is more to being a citizen of a country than being born there. I highly doubt that you are a citizen of the US. Where was your outrage when Michael New was dishonorably discharged for refusing to wear the UN insignia on his US uniform? Your such a supporter of the little guy. How many senators and congressman did you write, to have that discharge removed from his record? You like to write and incite this forum with radical rhetoric of socialism. As for balls boy, if you put yours on the edge of a razor blade, they would look like BB's bouncing down a four lane highway. When was the last time you visited any military personal in a hospital or worked through an organisation like the VFW to make sure the kids of the men serving in Iraq or Afghanistan had a good Christmas? You know, maybe I will take up cleaning toilets, it is rather pleasurable to flush shit like yours down the toilet. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/1/2005 9:43:13 AM   Naaaasfyyyyyyy, you know so many things that scares me:::))) as for your balls idea hanging behind your little pickup, that is an Indiana thingy:) I'm with you in that rhetoric of yours about which of the Bush policies you don't like. I don’t like them either:) however, I do like very much the gentleman whom you called "socialist internationalist". He is a bright senator and he could have done great things for my country. You're right in that Senator Kerry would have taken care of the little guy and he would not have sold off our manufacturing and technology industries to the Chinese. Senator Kerry chose to fight in Vietnam when your "guy" was hiding between an air force base in AL and his dad’s ranch in TX. Yeahhh I can see why you'd be so proud voting for him. It's stuck in your brain that for some reason I support the U.N., perhaps because you think I have an international background, then what the heck I must be a U.N. fan:) you're wrong again nasfy, I find the U.N. very inefficient and corrupt, and I believe it should get out of the U.S.A. and move to a more neutral place such as Geneva, Switzerland. You speak with contempt about G. Soros. He used to be my raw model back in the early nineties when he made ONE billion dollars in ONE day in ONE (immense) trade against the British pound. He is a genius, a Hungarian immigrant who started from nothing. This guy represents the American dream for me. Sorry, I respect but do not admire the farmer from Indiana who can trace his family tree to some Irish ancestor 200 years ago. Your genealogy means nothing to me. G. Soros has spent hundreds of millions of his personal wealth to help people around the world. He is a model to young people for his character, leadership and achievement. I am sorry you cannot see this. I respect and admire the self made, successful individuals who have not forgotten who they were before they built their wealth and they give back and care about the community, such as Warren Buffet and Ted Turner. Sorry, I respect, but do not particularly admire the soldier who gets paid to do his job in Iraq, he follows orders, regardless whether this is to the benefit or the detriment of our country. He is a government employee and everything said beyond that is just hype. In fact, the first lady said so (that soldiers get paid to do what they do and it's their choice and if they get killed it is part of the job). You're launching your great insults regarding my feelings for America. This proves a "man" of very low intelligence and very low ethics. You feel that you have some sort of authority to claim you're more American than others. This illusion obviously reduces your misery. Feeling insecure and in need of weapons and pistols and security systems in a little town in Indiana reminds me the dumb guy in a tire shop in a village somewhere in the south who was asked "do you think the terrorists plan to come to your town to target you?" and he replied "yes meeumm I believe so":::))) Maybe there is a terrorist in your backyard right now as we speak nasfy why dan't ya laudap ya gun and get out there and start doing some shooting boy::)) nasfy, you're laughable dude. I assure you I want no harm of you or anybody else. I love America as I always did and now that I am gone I love this country even more. I do believe it's the best country to live, but this is only my personal opinion, i.e. it works for me, it may not work for others and I respect that. I do explain to people who want to hear me that it’s not America to blame for the evil policies of the current administration. What do you do nasfy to make the world understand that most Americans are good people like good people elsewhere? Ohhh I forgot you got into a fight with a Frenchman in France, and the police had to come and save your ass:) good for you dude you see you can be a man without guns if you try:) Maybe it’s your authoritative look and behavior, nasfy, that makes foreigners not like you, have you thought about it? My arrows go to the right wing republicans and their fanatic, fascist agenda. Go back to your coach nasfy, drink a beer, watch the shows on TV, the world is not as dangerous as you might think. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/1/2005 1:17:16 PM   Funny how you Blame the CIA for corrupting The Ukrainian Election, and it was Soro's and many of his cronies that sent the money. Now who's thought is corrupt. If Soro's is your model for character, then I understand the way you are. Lump Soro's and the Clintons and their clan all together, looking for character would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. As for making money something that we should be in awe with, your values are a bit misguided to say the least. As for the Situation in France, nope I don't need a gun to defend myself, I can do very well with my hands. But you want to make the second amendment issue a thing of fear. I don't fear terrorists. I have a very good relationship with my creator, and when it's time for me to go, it will be time. I don't live life in fear. At 47, I don't sit on a couch, I don't drink beer. I listen to people half my age whine about working a 12 hour day. Oh by the way, learn to read I don't have a security system, I have the ability to defend myself and my property without one. As for fascism, you espouse it in about every post you write. I don't want government in my life, I don't need government in my life. You liberals make me laugh, when you're beat at the ballot box, you run directly to the court system and cry foul! Well those times are a changing my friend. The majority of the American people do not share your views or attitudes. As for you statement about the current military, why don't you condemn your great hero John Kerry, who lied about the atrocities that were committed in Viet Nam. Remember he is what you detest the most, a lifetime government employee. But then all the other Swift Boat guys were liars and only John Kerry tells the truth. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/1/2005 1:41:09 PM   nasfy, again you missed the point, but I'm not surprised, that's how far you can reach intellectually:) It's not the money per se. Rather it's the smart man making money the smart way and then giving back to those who were not privileged with his charisma. That is my raw model and Soros and Buffet and others fit this model no matter how much you would deny it. They are humans with proven superior skills (not a blah blah blah) yet they do not only use their skills exclusively for their own benefit, but genuinely give back. This is what separates these rich men from the many other rich men. Hope you can understand. Kerry beats the hell out of Bushy junior in intellect, leadership, talent and so on. Clinton beat the hell out Bushy senior in this respect also. The difference was in communication. Bill has a gift that very few politicians have that is to communicate with the simple Joe without having to compromise his intellectual capacity, without making faces and wearing cowboy boots in front of the camera, and speaking like the a grandma from Mobile. He has the empathy and gift to connect with all people, and that was recognized recently by both the Bushes. Now, go on lash some more, you only sound fool yourself. 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